Comments on: More Charges for Dusty Foggo?

By: BayStateLibrul

BayStateLibrul — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:06:13 +0000

Thanks…

By: bobschacht

bobschacht — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:24:39 +0000

BayStateLibrul,
You might want to cruise on over to DailyKos, where you’ll find answers to your questions at
FISA Fight: Here’s what happens when you tell the truth

Bob in HI

By: bobschacht

bobschacht — Sat, 16 Feb 2008 00:19:57 +0000

Thanks for the clarification. I read Congressman Reyes letter so
I know the FISA will not expire… What I was getting at, and I did not phrase it exactly correctly, was the the practical implications….
i.e. things will change on Saturday and will anybody be tracking it
so Bushie just says can’t “fuck you”?

But will anything really change?
If what they were doing before was legal, they can keep on doing it (certain parts of the PAA are valid for another year)

If what they were doing before wasn’t legal, then it is still illegal (even if they are doing it anyway.)

So, IIRC, despite what our preznit might want you to believe, nothing has changed. Of course, IIRC, etc., and bmaz, EW, Mary and others have a much more precise understanding of these things than I do.

YMMV!

Bob in HI

By: BayStateLibrul

BayStateLibrul — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:55:06 +0000

Thanks for the clarification. I read Congressman Reyes letter so
I know the FISA will not expire… What I was getting at, and I did not phrase it exactly correctly, was the the practical implications….
i.e. things will change on Saturday and will anybody be tracking it
so Bushie just says can’t “fuck you”?

By: sailmaker

sailmaker — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:42:50 +0000

Yep, managed to ‘lose’ them right before Padilla went on trial. They should put a court order out on all trash collected from Gitmo so that the ‘lost’ may become ‘found’. IMO there are copies of the tapes – on hard drives etc. Gotta get ‘em before the burn date (strongly suspect shortly before the Gitmo 6 are tried).

By: CTuttle

CTuttle — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:18:32 +0000

The U.S. government keeps meticulous records of all interrogations, evidenced by FBI agent accounts of detailed logs available to provide detainees’ names, dates and room locations of interrogations, as well as the names of the interviewers. The government systematically logs all video recordings.

I seem to recall that they ‘lost’ some of Padilla’s tapes…!

By: JohnLopresti

JohnLopresti — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:11:08 +0000

I wonder if Ginsburg’s early retirement helped plan the sought venue, as it occurred with one day grace period before Sentelle would have entered ineligibilty for the leading judge post in DC.

By: CTuttle

CTuttle — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:09:25 +0000

I won’t dispute that but it seems to follow the Shrubco M.O… Particularly if you read the last paragraph I quoted…

By: sailmaker

sailmaker — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:08:01 +0000

From the Seton Hall Law School docs:

DOD has video cameras in every Guantánamo interrogation room and each interrogation was observed by intelligence agents and other agency monitors on closed circuit units.

Multiple intelligence-gathering agencies conducted interrogations of detainees in the Guantánamo Bay video-monitored rooms. Agencies include the CIA, Criminal Investigation Task Force, Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Defense Intelligence Analysis, Army Criminal Investigative Division, Air Force Office of Special Investigations, and Naval Criminal Investigative Service.

Detainees routinely refer to the videotapes of their interrogations.

The government records contain graphic evidence that interrogators regularly used force and violence while interrogating detainees. These same interrogators often hindered videotaping during interrogations by covering and obstructing the surveillance cameras.

The U.S. government keeps meticulous records of all interrogations, evidenced by FBI agent accounts of detailed logs available to provide detainees’ names, dates and room locations of interrogations, as well as the names of the interviewers. The government systematically logs all video recordings.

http://law.shu.edu/administrat.....otaped.htm

By: Hmmm

Hmmm — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:04:37 +0000

Hiya CT and aloha to you. I could be wrong, but at first naive blush, those recycled Gitmo surveillance tapes sound like a different kind of animal from the Gitmo interrogation tapes disclosed today.