Comments on: Two-Fronted War in Defense of the Constitution in the House http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/ Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:35:13 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: sojourner http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/comment-page-2/#comment-53152 sojourner Fri, 15 Feb 2008 00:02:57 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/#comment-53152 <p>Thanks for taking the time to look at it…It is sad that they just don’t seem to think anything is sacred, or that anything could apply to them As for Ms Spears, she has a better chance of making something of herself than many of these Repuglicans…</p> Thanks for taking the time to look at it…It is sad that they just don’t seem to think anything is sacred, or that anything could apply to them As for Ms Spears, she has a better chance of making something of herself than many of these Repuglicans…

]]> By: Mary http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/comment-page-2/#comment-53143 Mary Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:17:10 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/#comment-53143 <p><a href="mailto:cboldt@85" rel="nofollow">cboldt@85</a></p> <p>It’s pretty odd really. I kind of viewed myself as most Americans do - relatively moderate, although generally anti-wars of oppression from the Vietnam learning curve. I’ve been more socially liberal - voted Dem a lot, but also Repub a chunk. Many many many years back, I supported Lugar and even did some door knocks/door hangers for him (long long long time ago) I contributed to and voted for Warner (although also for Wilder). </p> <p>Now, I look at the Republicans I used to be ok with and I’m just thoroughly sickened - and I look at Dems I looked to as “better” at first - and am ALSO thoroughly sickened.</p> <p>The wonder is that Congress breaks into double digits on the approval front. Some of us who used to find things on both sides of the aisle to support can’t find anything on either side of the aisle these days.</p> cboldt@85

It’s pretty odd really. I kind of viewed myself as most Americans do – relatively moderate, although generally anti-wars of oppression from the Vietnam learning curve. I’ve been more socially liberal – voted Dem a lot, but also Repub a chunk. Many many many years back, I supported Lugar and even did some door knocks/door hangers for him (long long long time ago) I contributed to and voted for Warner (although also for Wilder).

Now, I look at the Republicans I used to be ok with and I’m just thoroughly sickened – and I look at Dems I looked to as “better” at first – and am ALSO thoroughly sickened.

The wonder is that Congress breaks into double digits on the approval front. Some of us who used to find things on both sides of the aisle to support can’t find anything on either side of the aisle these days.

]]> By: Mary http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/comment-page-2/#comment-53141 Mary Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:11:51 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/#comment-53141 <p>Part of why Yarmuth head this so much (as a Kentuckian) is that he and Andrew Horne both fought for it. Yarmuth ended up winning the primary, and while Horne was “my guy” I was thrilled to have Yarmuth too. He’s great (and he was tough enough to do the unthinkable per Pelosi and Rahm - he actually went on the Colbert show AFTER the royal decree to stay off). </p> <p>Until the end of last week/first of this week, it looked like we were going to have a shot at both Yarmuth in the House and HORNE in the Senate, as Horne was launching a Senate bid.</p> <p>Then along came Chuck Schumer and his crew, telling Horne he would get no party support and practically rolling out the carpet to get Lunsford (Lieberman’s sleazier, more morally bereft, twin) to run. Horne then backed out of the race. </p> <p>So now what we have is a McConnell wannabe running against McConnell. Horrible. </p> <p>Lunsford jumped party lines (which he does from time to time) originally to support KY scandal ridden - staff pardoning - governor Ernie Fletcher against Ben Chandler in the Gov run. Lunsford, though, has lots of money. So he appeared in our gov primaries with Stumbo (the state ag who made the deal that let Fletcher waltz free) as his lt gov running mate - and the people of KY spoke loud and clear - NO LUNSFORD!</p> <p>But now Schumer’s crew has shoved him down our throats again. </p> <p>Thankfully, Yarmuth has $$ to help keep him safe.</p> <p>ketchup time (we’ve been iced out here in West Ky)</p> Part of why Yarmuth head this so much (as a Kentuckian) is that he and Andrew Horne both fought for it. Yarmuth ended up winning the primary, and while Horne was “my guy” I was thrilled to have Yarmuth too. He’s great (and he was tough enough to do the unthinkable per Pelosi and Rahm – he actually went on the Colbert show AFTER the royal decree to stay off).

Until the end of last week/first of this week, it looked like we were going to have a shot at both Yarmuth in the House and HORNE in the Senate, as Horne was launching a Senate bid.

Then along came Chuck Schumer and his crew, telling Horne he would get no party support and practically rolling out the carpet to get Lunsford (Lieberman’s sleazier, more morally bereft, twin) to run. Horne then backed out of the race.

So now what we have is a McConnell wannabe running against McConnell. Horrible.

Lunsford jumped party lines (which he does from time to time) originally to support KY scandal ridden – staff pardoning – governor Ernie Fletcher against Ben Chandler in the Gov run. Lunsford, though, has lots of money. So he appeared in our gov primaries with Stumbo (the state ag who made the deal that let Fletcher waltz free) as his lt gov running mate – and the people of KY spoke loud and clear – NO LUNSFORD!

But now Schumer’s crew has shoved him down our throats again.

Thankfully, Yarmuth has $$ to help keep him safe.

ketchup time (we’ve been iced out here in West Ky)

]]> By: Mary http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/comment-page-2/#comment-53140 Mary Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:03:53 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/#comment-53140 <p>Ahh yes, Bradbury’s best judgement.</p> <p>Didn’t we get a preview of that “best judgment” back in July of 06:</p> <p><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/" rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/2006/.....ays-right/</a></p> <blockquote><p>LEAHY: Was the President right or was he wrong?<br /> BRAdBURY: It’s under the law of war –<br /> LEAHY: Was the President right or was he wrong?<br /> BRADBURY: The President is always right. </p></blockquote> <p>Gee, I wish Nadler had popped that one out when he was talking to him and had asked him, ’so, if the President wanted to do Spanish Inquisition torture of an 11 yo, you’d write up a compliant opinion for that, too, bc the President is always right?’</p> Ahh yes, Bradbury’s best judgement.

Didn’t we get a preview of that “best judgment” back in July of 06:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/…..ays-right/

LEAHY: Was the President right or was he wrong?
BRAdBURY: It’s under the law of war –
LEAHY: Was the President right or was he wrong?
BRADBURY: The President is always right.

Gee, I wish Nadler had popped that one out when he was talking to him and had asked him, ’so, if the President wanted to do Spanish Inquisition torture of an 11 yo, you’d write up a compliant opinion for that, too, bc the President is always right?’

]]> By: siri http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/comment-page-2/#comment-53132 siri Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:50:24 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/#comment-53132 <p>wow.<br /> i had to be gone, again, today. i just got back and am trying to catch up.<br /> from what i’m getting here, i’m wondering if we can refer to this as the “2007 Valentine’s Day Massacre”. can we? huh? can we??????</p> <p>oh.</p> <p>and, IT’S ABOUT FRIGGGGGIN’ TIME!!!!!!<br /> rethugs are whining SO BIG in BOTH chambers now.<br /> LOL!</p> wow.
i had to be gone, again, today. i just got back and am trying to catch up.
from what i’m getting here, i’m wondering if we can refer to this as the “2007 Valentine’s Day Massacre”. can we? huh? can we??????

oh.

and, IT’S ABOUT FRIGGGGGIN’ TIME!!!!!!
rethugs are whining SO BIG in BOTH chambers now.
LOL!

]]> By: merkwurdiglieber http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/comment-page-2/#comment-53118 merkwurdiglieber Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:33:45 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/#comment-53118 <p>Question withdrawn.</p> Question withdrawn.

]]> By: bmaz http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/comment-page-2/#comment-53103 bmaz Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:03:49 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/#comment-53103 <p>Heh, well, my apologies to Ms. Spears. I have given some thought to your question last night. It is all lousy and sleazy etc., but unless it specifically violates either the church or SMU charter, or some binding agreement, which is hard to see how it would (other than in gross generalities that are unenforceable), I don’t see much avenue for relief. Hate to say that because I sympathize with not wanting the My Pet Goat collection at an otherwise fine university.</p> Heh, well, my apologies to Ms. Spears. I have given some thought to your question last night. It is all lousy and sleazy etc., but unless it specifically violates either the church or SMU charter, or some binding agreement, which is hard to see how it would (other than in gross generalities that are unenforceable), I don’t see much avenue for relief. Hate to say that because I sympathize with not wanting the My Pet Goat collection at an otherwise fine university.

]]> By: Hmmm http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/comment-page-2/#comment-53101 Hmmm Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:00:28 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/#comment-53101 <p>Teeny-tiny nit w/r/t:</p> <blockquote><p>We want to return the government to the tenants of the Constitution.</p></blockquote> <p>The word Yarmouth probably meant to use is “tenets,” although there is great poetry in the idea that We the People are at all times the “tenants of the Constitution.” Returning the government to us is a snappy idea I’d back any old time.</p> Teeny-tiny nit w/r/t:

We want to return the government to the tenants of the Constitution.

The word Yarmouth probably meant to use is “tenets,” although there is great poetry in the idea that We the People are at all times the “tenants of the Constitution.” Returning the government to us is a snappy idea I’d back any old time.

]]> By: Praedor http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/comment-page-2/#comment-53096 Praedor Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:48:11 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/#comment-53096 <p>They should have passed FISA while the Rethugs were in the midst of their tantrum. They could have passed the House version for the conference with practically no “nay” votes.</p> <p>They don’t think too quick, them democrats.</p> They should have passed FISA while the Rethugs were in the midst of their tantrum. They could have passed the House version for the conference with practically no “nay” votes.

They don’t think too quick, them democrats.

]]> By: Praedor http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/comment-page-2/#comment-53093 Praedor Thu, 14 Feb 2008 20:46:01 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/two-fronted-war-in-defense-of-the-constitution-in-the-house/#comment-53093 <p>Jesus, what bullshit bills get considered. A bill commending Washington state for supporting veterans? Hell’s bells. It’s great and all but does that really deserve a friggin Congressional bill? How about ONLY legislating?</p> Jesus, what bullshit bills get considered. A bill commending Washington state for supporting veterans? Hell’s bells. It’s great and all but does that really deserve a friggin Congressional bill? How about ONLY legislating?

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