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	<title>Comments on: Condi Ignores Doubts on the 16 Words</title>
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		<title>By: Tominator</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/condis-ignores-doubts-on-the-16-words/#comment-53423</link>
		<dc:creator>Tominator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 05:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good points. I’m a trial lawyer. I live in court. I’ve done a lot of trials and consider myself an above average litigator and an excellent cross examiner. I have literally made mincemeat out of witnesses. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The most basic cross technique to expose a liar is to FIRST PIN THEM DOWN. You must pin them before you can nail them. Wexler missed this critical step. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Non laywers, hell, most lawyers overlook this step. Once pinned, you can then hit them with their lies. Done properly, it doesn’t matter what they say, anyone can see the lie. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So w/Condi, you start with: You said x, y, z… (all lies)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yet, at this time, you had already read a,b, c, which all cast doubt on x, y, z, ….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So why did you then say X, y, z, when YOU, PERSONALLY HAD INFORMATION//KNEW THAT THEY WERE FALSE? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See how it’s done? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the very first, and most critical step, is the pin. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See this: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A skilled cross-examiner recognizes instantly when an expert witness is equivocating, exploiting ambiguity, escaping into vagueness, trying to baffle and confuse, or simply doesn’t know what he or she is talking about. It is the cross-examiner’s job to pin the witness down, to ensure that the terms are well-defined and used in a consistent, logical manner. The energy and resourcefulness some experts devote to evading clarity and the anguish when all escape routes are cut off was vividly captured by a trial lawyer, who compared the process to a hunter who finally trees an evasive quarry.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points. I’m a trial lawyer. I live in court. I’ve done a lot of trials and consider myself an above average litigator and an excellent cross examiner. I have literally made mincemeat out of witnesses. </p>
<p>The most basic cross technique to expose a liar is to FIRST PIN THEM DOWN. You must pin them before you can nail them. Wexler missed this critical step. </p>
<p>Non laywers, hell, most lawyers overlook this step. Once pinned, you can then hit them with their lies. Done properly, it doesn’t matter what they say, anyone can see the lie. </p>
<p>So w/Condi, you start with: You said x, y, z… (all lies)</p>
<p>Yet, at this time, you had already read a,b, c, which all cast doubt on x, y, z, ….</p>
<p>So why did you then say X, y, z, when YOU, PERSONALLY HAD INFORMATION//KNEW THAT THEY WERE FALSE? </p>
<p>See how it’s done? </p>
<p>But the very first, and most critical step, is the pin. </p>
<p>See this: </p>
<p>A skilled cross-examiner recognizes instantly when an expert witness is equivocating, exploiting ambiguity, escaping into vagueness, trying to baffle and confuse, or simply doesn’t know what he or she is talking about. It is the cross-examiner’s job to pin the witness down, to ensure that the terms are well-defined and used in a consistent, logical manner. The energy and resourcefulness some experts devote to evading clarity and the anguish when all escape routes are cut off was vividly captured by a trial lawyer, who compared the process to a hunter who finally trees an evasive quarry.</p>
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		<title>By: Batocchio</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/condis-ignores-doubts-on-the-16-words/#comment-53299</link>
		<dc:creator>Batocchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 09:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks.  Great dissection.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks.  Great dissection.</p>
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		<title>By: jerikoll</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerikoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is a deep very dry well and nothing will come of it, so move on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is too much hope invested in this oversight business.  It doesn’t seem to work very well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.</p>
<p>It is a deep very dry well and nothing will come of it, so move on.</p>
<p>There is too much hope invested in this oversight business.  It doesn’t seem to work very well.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/14/condis-ignores-doubts-on-the-16-words/#comment-53202</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 05:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I saw that clip, and had a different interpretation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Condi’s not respected internationally; she’s a thin-skinned prima donna, she’s defensive, and she’s in way over her head.  (Show of hands for anyone who hasn’t seen this movie before…? There’s always an unpleasant end, where the prima donna melts down. Ick.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;She makes herself less relevant every time she opens her mouth.&lt;br /&gt;
She’ll deny her failures to her dying breath; let’s move on.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that clip, and had a different interpretation.</p>
<p>Condi’s not respected internationally; she’s a thin-skinned prima donna, she’s defensive, and she’s in way over her head.  (Show of hands for anyone who hasn’t seen this movie before…? There’s always an unpleasant end, where the prima donna melts down. Ick.)</p>
<p>She makes herself less relevant every time she opens her mouth.<br />
She’ll deny her failures to her dying breath; let’s move on.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And to wkwf @9 - Many are lawyers, but that certainly doesn’t mean they have any knowledge or ability to question a witness.  Effective examination, whether cross or direct, is an art form and a skill that, really, only a small subset of lawyers possess.  Even most trial lawyers, that are in court all the time (maybe 5% of all lawyers, maybe less), are not really more than adequate at the skill of examination.  But there are simple and basic rules and tactics that these critters ought to at least learn if they are going to yap at these hearings.  One, as noted above, is to not ask such open ended and broad questions; they are easy to kill off by the disingenuous witness and are easy to prepare for.  Never open with your zinger; you want to bleed them into the critical question, hopefully after putting them in a posture where they have admitted the knowns and have no choice but to address the critical element.  Always have followup questions ready; preferably with options to cover alternative paths that may be thrown at you.  Many of these idiots I have seen couldn’t effectively get a kid to admit he likes candy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to wkwf @9 &#8211; Many are lawyers, but that certainly doesn’t mean they have any knowledge or ability to question a witness.  Effective examination, whether cross or direct, is an art form and a skill that, really, only a small subset of lawyers possess.  Even most trial lawyers, that are in court all the time (maybe 5% of all lawyers, maybe less), are not really more than adequate at the skill of examination.  But there are simple and basic rules and tactics that these critters ought to at least learn if they are going to yap at these hearings.  One, as noted above, is to not ask such open ended and broad questions; they are easy to kill off by the disingenuous witness and are easy to prepare for.  Never open with your zinger; you want to bleed them into the critical question, hopefully after putting them in a posture where they have admitted the knowns and have no choice but to address the critical element.  Always have followup questions ready; preferably with options to cover alternative paths that may be thrown at you.  Many of these idiots I have seen couldn’t effectively get a kid to admit he likes candy.</p>
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		<title>By: wkwf</title>
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		<dc:creator>wkwf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;She kept using the phrase “key judgments”, as if nothing else in the document mattered. Is that all she read in the document? The executive summary? Being the key advisor on national security, all she did was relay the key judgments to her boss? Wouldn’t that be serious dereliction of duty? I suppose it’s OK for all of them, though. It’s not like they were going to do something serious… just start a war, that’s all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She kept using the phrase “key judgments”, as if nothing else in the document mattered. Is that all she read in the document? The executive summary? Being the key advisor on national security, all she did was relay the key judgments to her boss? Wouldn’t that be serious dereliction of duty? I suppose it’s OK for all of them, though. It’s not like they were going to do something serious… just start a war, that’s all.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnLopresti</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnLopresti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The first administration going back to SHersh’s stovepipe article remains an interesting phase in Rice’s nsc chrysalis among the principals in the executive branch perhaps transiting a threshold with Tenet’s mea.  There was an interesting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685#more-5685&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interview with another person who addressed the first term administration’s cumbersome policies&lt;/a&gt; from a different perspective on the spectrum Hersh described, but the excerpt takes close reading, as many of the issues remain confidential, especially because of the convolution of Anatolian policy.  I wonder if CRice will author a memoire which emphasizes the first term more than the second term.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first administration going back to SHersh’s stovepipe article remains an interesting phase in Rice’s nsc chrysalis among the principals in the executive branch perhaps transiting a threshold with Tenet’s mea.  There was an interesting <a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685#more-5685" rel="nofollow">interview with another person who addressed the first term administration’s cumbersome policies</a> from a different perspective on the spectrum Hersh described, but the excerpt takes close reading, as many of the issues remain confidential, especially because of the convolution of Anatolian policy.  I wonder if CRice will author a memoire which emphasizes the first term more than the second term.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And she must take acting lessons to show the indignation!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And she must take acting lessons to show the indignation!</p>
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		<title>By: JohnForde</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnForde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Dr Rice, please explain to this committee  how is it that the entire intelligence resources of the U.S. government studied the text of the Niger documents for eleven months and reached no conclusion, yet amateurs proved these documents to be forgeries in under an hour?”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Dr Rice, please explain to this committee  how is it that the entire intelligence resources of the U.S. government studied the text of the Niger documents for eleven months and reached no conclusion, yet amateurs proved these documents to be forgeries in under an hour?”</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 03:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good point I thought Congress was full of lawyers trained in asking questions, and I would presume logic and public speaking. Plus they need to coordinate their questions and make better use of their time.&lt;br /&gt;
    If Condi stonewalls one congressperson until their time is up then the next Congressperson should ask the same question and remind her that any stalling is Contempt and County Jail time with Crackheads (no special treatment) until she answers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point I thought Congress was full of lawyers trained in asking questions, and I would presume logic and public speaking. Plus they need to coordinate their questions and make better use of their time.<br />
    If Condi stonewalls one congressperson until their time is up then the next Congressperson should ask the same question and remind her that any stalling is Contempt and County Jail time with Crackheads (no special treatment) until she answers.</p>
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