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	<title>Comments on: FISA Liveblog And Trash Talk Thread Tuesday 2/12/08</title>
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		<title>By: BrianinSeattle</title>
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		<dc:creator>BrianinSeattle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I guess many of us were thinking the same thing. Here was my small letter to those on the Dishonor roll….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;SUBJECT:  FISA Capitulation - Again&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;DATE:  12-Feb-2008&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Today marks another milestone in the great decline and fall of the United States as a nation, the Rule of Law, and the Constitution. You are personally responsible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There must be some reason to grant the unprecedented gift of retro-active legalization of previously illegal acts. There is no national popular outcry to shield Bush and these corporations. Is it supine fealty to the worst president in US history? It cannot be based on respect for your oath of office to protect the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. In fact, you have just shown yourself to be the kinds of actual “enemies” to be guarded against. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps it is money?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Telecom Contributions by Senator (Open Secrets, 2003 to 2008 Sector Totals)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Feinstein		$638,084&lt;br /&gt;
Nelson			$427,556&lt;br /&gt;
Rockerfeller		$341,569&lt;br /&gt;
Mccaskill 		$351,232&lt;br /&gt;
Mikulski		$253,192&lt;br /&gt;
Landrieu		$244,908&lt;br /&gt;
Lincoln			$298,420&lt;br /&gt;
Salazar			$611,517&lt;br /&gt;
Carper			$197,513&lt;br /&gt;
Webb			$278,636&lt;br /&gt;
Whitehouse 		$294,675&lt;br /&gt;
Leiberman		$1,005,591&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;	TOTAL:	$4,942,893 &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Really people – this is a ridiculously cheap price for them to pay for this kind of sell out.  Not only does your work dishonor the rule of law, your price for doing so is an embarrassment to capitalism - except for Leiberman – good job Joe!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, a special place in hell is reserved for Harry Reid, without whose bold leadership, none of this would be possible. Among you all, Senator Dodd seems the only one with the character and conviction to behave responsibly in this sordid affair.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pathetic at all levels, your place in our darkest history is secure. I hope it was worth it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess many of us were thinking the same thing. Here was my small letter to those on the Dishonor roll….</p>
<p>SUBJECT:  FISA Capitulation &#8211; Again</p>
<p>DATE:  12-Feb-2008</p>
<p>Today marks another milestone in the great decline and fall of the United States as a nation, the Rule of Law, and the Constitution. You are personally responsible.</p>
<p>There must be some reason to grant the unprecedented gift of retro-active legalization of previously illegal acts. There is no national popular outcry to shield Bush and these corporations. Is it supine fealty to the worst president in US history? It cannot be based on respect for your oath of office to protect the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic. In fact, you have just shown yourself to be the kinds of actual “enemies” to be guarded against. </p>
<p>Perhaps it is money?</p>
<p>Telecom Contributions by Senator (Open Secrets, 2003 to 2008 Sector Totals)</p>
<p>Feinstein		$638,084<br />
Nelson			$427,556<br />
Rockerfeller		$341,569<br />
Mccaskill 		$351,232<br />
Mikulski		$253,192<br />
Landrieu		$244,908<br />
Lincoln			$298,420<br />
Salazar			$611,517<br />
Carper			$197,513<br />
Webb			$278,636<br />
Whitehouse 		$294,675<br />
Leiberman		$1,005,591</p>
<p>	TOTAL:	$4,942,893 </p>
<p>Really people – this is a ridiculously cheap price for them to pay for this kind of sell out.  Not only does your work dishonor the rule of law, your price for doing so is an embarrassment to capitalism &#8211; except for Leiberman – good job Joe!</p>
<p>Of course, a special place in hell is reserved for Harry Reid, without whose bold leadership, none of this would be possible. Among you all, Senator Dodd seems the only one with the character and conviction to behave responsibly in this sordid affair.</p>
<p>Pathetic at all levels, your place in our darkest history is secure. I hope it was worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I suppose there is some faint consolation in the fact that even if this bad bill becomes law, as seems likely, it won’t get any more Constitutional than it is now.  So some distant day after all this nastiness is finally over — and by the way I think that everything we have seen of this so far is only the beginning of the beginning — and all these crazy authoritarians’ long moment has finally passed, and America has at long last finally regained its senses, it will be repealed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Very, very faint, though.  I’ll be quite a bit older than I am now…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose there is some faint consolation in the fact that even if this bad bill becomes law, as seems likely, it won’t get any more Constitutional than it is now.  So some distant day after all this nastiness is finally over — and by the way I think that everything we have seen of this so far is only the beginning of the beginning — and all these crazy authoritarians’ long moment has finally passed, and America has at long last finally regained its senses, it will be repealed.</p>
<p>Very, very faint, though.  I’ll be quite a bit older than I am now…</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“harvest day for identity protection insurance..”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s what I get for proof reading the kid’s homework and responding at the same time!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“harvest day for identity protection insurance..”</p>
<p>That’s what I get for proof reading the kid’s homework and responding at the same time!</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the “to the point” perspective!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m sure the insurance industry is doing a dance over FISA! It’s a harvest day for identity protect - so they think!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the “to the point” perspective!</p>
<p>I’m sure the insurance industry is doing a dance over FISA! It’s a harvest day for identity protect &#8211; so they think!</p>
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		<title>By: sailmaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>sailmaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;$600,000,000 ??? Now that is cubic bucks. DiFi only raised $5.7 in the last year, @ 20% from the telcoms, and she knows the right people. $600 million might be a stretch.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$600,000,000 ??? Now that is cubic bucks. DiFi only raised $5.7 in the last year, @ 20% from the telcoms, and she knows the right people. $600 million might be a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shorter klynn: “Safe from whom, exactly?  It ain’t exactly AQ I’m worried about at the moment.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter klynn: “Safe from whom, exactly?  It ain’t exactly AQ I’m worried about at the moment.”</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So if we come up with $2 per person they might listen to us? Hmmm…That could be done!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if we come up with $2 per person they might listen to us? Hmmm…That could be done!</p>
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		<title>By: klynn</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/12/fisa-liveblog-and-trash-talk-thread-tuesday-21208/comment-page-2/#comment-52548</link>
		<dc:creator>klynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 00:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would have to answer back:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Intelligence agencies have admitted to the fact that meta data gathering is much like trying to drink out of a fire hydrant. So a great deal of our private information lays vulnerable without any guarantee of security for “the people” by the government on behalf of the government. There are no clear provisions with FISA that protect my private information. If there are no regulatory measures to insure my privacy and protection of my private information, then I am NOT SAFE OR SECURE. I am in a more threatening position actually. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A good read:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/patriot01.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.consumeraffairs.com.....iot01.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reason I shared my identity theft experience is that it is one people can relate to and puts the fear card in a different light…Sunlight…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to answer back:</p>
<p>Intelligence agencies have admitted to the fact that meta data gathering is much like trying to drink out of a fire hydrant. So a great deal of our private information lays vulnerable without any guarantee of security for “the people” by the government on behalf of the government. There are no clear provisions with FISA that protect my private information. If there are no regulatory measures to insure my privacy and protection of my private information, then I am NOT SAFE OR SECURE. I am in a more threatening position actually. </p>
<p>A good read:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/patriot01.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.consumeraffairs.com&#8230;..iot01.html</a></p>
<p>The reason I shared my identity theft experience is that it is one people can relate to and puts the fear card in a different light…Sunlight…</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9870147-7.html?tag=nefd.blgs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CNET says&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That immunity would apply both to future lawsuits and to any suits filed during the period from September 11, 2001, to January 17, 2007, the day the Justice Department announced that the secret NSA program would be revamped and brought under the scrutiny of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then I guess we’ll just have to invent time travel so we can go back and file between January ‘01, when the cause of action began, and September 10 of that year.  Get busy techies!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9870147-7.html?tag=nefd.blgs" rel="nofollow">CNET says</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>That immunity would apply both to future lawsuits and to any suits filed during the period from September 11, 2001, to January 17, 2007, the day the Justice Department announced that the secret NSA program would be revamped and brought under the scrutiny of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.</p>
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<p>Then I guess we’ll just have to invent time travel so we can go back and file between January ‘01, when the cause of action began, and September 10 of that year.  Get busy techies!</p>
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		<title>By: sailmaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>sailmaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 23:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;About a $1.00 per person for your civil rights. $300,000,000 to Congress last reporting year from Communications sector, including Lobbyists.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is NOT for national security - or the Feds would not have let the funding for wiretaps lapse, nor can it make us more secure, the  more corporate lawlessness is encouraged, the less secure we will be - witness the identity theft scenario above.  The corporations will just thrive on this get-out-of-jail-free environment.  Unfortunately, it will be thriving dens of inequity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About a $1.00 per person for your civil rights. $300,000,000 to Congress last reporting year from Communications sector, including Lobbyists.  </p>
<p>This is NOT for national security &#8211; or the Feds would not have let the funding for wiretaps lapse, nor can it make us more secure, the  more corporate lawlessness is encouraged, the less secure we will be &#8211; witness the identity theft scenario above.  The corporations will just thrive on this get-out-of-jail-free environment.  Unfortunately, it will be thriving dens of inequity.</p>
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