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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/fisa-debate-and-votes/#comment-51627</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;if they are simply a delaying tactic&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Better viewed as a time filler.  The alternative to debate and decision making.  Most of the time filling is done with zero or few senators on the floor, but I have seen “Is a quorum present?” asked when all 100 Senators just finished a roll call vote.  Filling time “on the Record Book” so they can negotiate “off the record book.”  Those “chamber full” quorum calls are usually brief - a couple minutes at most.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like the 2/3rds of the Senate ratifying treaties, when the reality is that only 2 Senators are in the chamber, and one of those two is presiding.  “All in favor rise”  “All opposed rise” — the two who are present usually giggle at the fiction, but dutifully go through the sit/stand formality.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if they are simply a delaying tactic</i> </p>
<p>Better viewed as a time filler.  The alternative to debate and decision making.  Most of the time filling is done with zero or few senators on the floor, but I have seen “Is a quorum present?” asked when all 100 Senators just finished a roll call vote.  Filling time “on the Record Book” so they can negotiate “off the record book.”  Those “chamber full” quorum calls are usually brief &#8211; a couple minutes at most.</p>
<p>I like the 2/3rds of the Senate ratifying treaties, when the reality is that only 2 Senators are in the chamber, and one of those two is presiding.  “All in favor rise”  “All opposed rise” — the two who are present usually giggle at the fiction, but dutifully go through the sit/stand formality.</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/fisa-debate-and-votes/#comment-51625</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Before getting to your question … FISA and Senate schedule.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At 1:00 p.m., Senator Reid filed a cloture motion to limit debate on S.2248.  Then he ran through a few items of legislative minutia, including reading for the first time a bill to again extend the PAA by 15 days.  That (S.2615) is insurance of a sort.  I think there are about 4 or 5 bills that extend the PAA by various time periods.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then at 1:05 he adjourned the Senate until 2:00 p.m. Monday.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The general purpose of quorum call is to make sure a quorum is present.  The Senate is an odd legislative body, it likes to create a fiction in the written Record that it is working in the chamber, and that the laws it passes are done with a quorum of Senators present.  The reality is they do 99% of their work behind the scenes, and most of the chamber time is done with fewer than 10 Senators present.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At any rate, under normal procedure, a legislative body has to be doing SOMETHING while it is (supposedly) in the chamber, and the only thing it can do when none of its members are presents is have the clerk ascertain the presence of a quorum.  All the other stuff that comprises action while in session (motions, debate, voting) requires participation by a senator.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before getting to your question … FISA and Senate schedule.</p>
<p>At 1:00 p.m., Senator Reid filed a cloture motion to limit debate on S.2248.  Then he ran through a few items of legislative minutia, including reading for the first time a bill to again extend the PAA by 15 days.  That (S.2615) is insurance of a sort.  I think there are about 4 or 5 bills that extend the PAA by various time periods.</p>
<p>Then at 1:05 he adjourned the Senate until 2:00 p.m. Monday.</p>
<p>The general purpose of quorum call is to make sure a quorum is present.  The Senate is an odd legislative body, it likes to create a fiction in the written Record that it is working in the chamber, and that the laws it passes are done with a quorum of Senators present.  The reality is they do 99% of their work behind the scenes, and most of the chamber time is done with fewer than 10 Senators present.</p>
<p>At any rate, under normal procedure, a legislative body has to be doing SOMETHING while it is (supposedly) in the chamber, and the only thing it can do when none of its members are presents is have the clerk ascertain the presence of a quorum.  All the other stuff that comprises action while in session (motions, debate, voting) requires participation by a senator.</p>
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		<title>By: PetePierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>PetePierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:48:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Simple question although my timing may make it EPU’d.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know quorum calls “I suggest the absense of a quorum” are usually done to delay to give some time to work out logistics, strategy, or to allow time to get a Senator to the floor.  Is there any other purpose for them, I’m missing, and if they are simply a delaying tactic, is that why they are often terminated suddenly?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple question although my timing may make it EPU’d.</p>
<p>I know quorum calls “I suggest the absense of a quorum” are usually done to delay to give some time to work out logistics, strategy, or to allow time to get a Senator to the floor.  Is there any other purpose for them, I’m missing, and if they are simply a delaying tactic, is that why they are often terminated suddenly?</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/fisa-debate-and-votes/#comment-51605</link>
		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bond’s argument, absence of immunity would cause increased risk of terrorist attack against the telecoms, is incredible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I figure the Senate will adjourn before 3 p.m.  Noonish adjournment is typical on Fridays.  They have all day Monday to burn up remaining debate time, and Reid announced a “use it or lose it” policy.  I also figure there is no concern about losing the debate time under FISA, especially since the more strenuous objectors have time on Tuesday, after the cloture vote, when the viewing audience will be larger.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bond’s argument, absence of immunity would cause increased risk of terrorist attack against the telecoms, is incredible.</p>
<p>I figure the Senate will adjourn before 3 p.m.  Noonish adjournment is typical on Fridays.  They have all day Monday to burn up remaining debate time, and Reid announced a “use it or lose it” policy.  I also figure there is no concern about losing the debate time under FISA, especially since the more strenuous objectors have time on Tuesday, after the cloture vote, when the viewing audience will be larger.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My personal name for the thin, bending reed has long been “Hanoi Harry”; but I can roll with yours as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My personal name for the thin, bending reed has long been “Hanoi Harry”; but I can roll with yours as well.</p>
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		<title>By: JTMinIA</title>
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		<dc:creator>JTMinIA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you can still listen to Bond, then you are a stronger person that I.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Given the cost of Dell monitors these days, I can’t do that anymore.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can still listen to Bond, then you are a stronger person that I.</p>
<p>Given the cost of Dell monitors these days, I can’t do that anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/fisa-debate-and-votes/#comment-51595</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;listening to bond now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m going to follow RevDeb’s lead and resort to some chocolate today. elliot recommended &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259051&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;these cookies&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>listening to bond now.</p>
<p>i’m going to follow RevDeb’s lead and resort to some chocolate today. elliot recommended <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/02/08/the-torture-of-john-mccain/#comment-1259051" rel="nofollow">these cookies</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
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		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have asked Senator Rockefeller to have a pretty good idea of what will be in the final package as it comes out here. So I think it would be to everyone’s benefit that he and Senator Leahy, Senator Bond, and Senator Specter work with their House&lt;br /&gt;
counterparts to see if they can work on a package to bring back to us.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’ll be “the manager’s amendment” - negotiated very much out of public view.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have asked Senator Rockefeller to have a pretty good idea of what will be in the final package as it comes out here. So I think it would be to everyone’s benefit that he and Senator Leahy, Senator Bond, and Senator Specter work with their House<br />
counterparts to see if they can work on a package to bring back to us.</p>
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<p>That’ll be “the manager’s amendment” &#8211; negotiated very much out of public view.</p>
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		<title>By: cboldt</title>
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		<dc:creator>cboldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Good to know that Senators get to continue debating in an empty chamber, while most of their colleagues can get out of town for a nice long carefree weekend if they wish. But, the cameras will be rolling for the few left behind to “debate”, the show must go on.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Situation normal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s possible to whip up some tension and drama for the Tuesday votes, but I think all the votes (by the Senators) are settled.  Actually, I think the positions were settled by about July last year.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When it comes to keeping a tight reign/rein on the people, Congress and the Executive are two peas in the same pod.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Good to know that Senators get to continue debating in an empty chamber, while most of their colleagues can get out of town for a nice long carefree weekend if they wish. But, the cameras will be rolling for the few left behind to “debate”, the show must go on.</i></p>
<p>Situation normal.</p>
<p>It’s possible to whip up some tension and drama for the Tuesday votes, but I think all the votes (by the Senators) are settled.  Actually, I think the positions were settled by about July last year.</p>
<p>When it comes to keeping a tight reign/rein on the people, Congress and the Executive are two peas in the same pod.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/07/fisa-debate-and-votes/#comment-51585</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 13:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;saw on fdl that you were going for the chocolate cure. sounds like a great idea…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>saw on fdl that you were going for the chocolate cure. sounds like a great idea…</p>
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