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	<title>Comments on: FISA Debate Liveblog</title>
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		<title>By: Sedgequill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/05/fisa-debate-liveblog/comment-page-2/#comment-50571</link>
		<dc:creator>Sedgequill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wish the critical votes could be delayed long enough to allow time to delve into more technical detail—not so all Members can be transformed into geeks, but because of the importance of the final language of any new legislation. Language concerning surveillance is as susceptible to crafty parsing as is language concerning torture, habeas corpus, presidential powers, or anything else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to bulk collection, crafty parsing might, I fear, play with “bulk.” What if all telephonic and Internet transmissions, or as many as feasible, are processed, with relatively few of them being captured so as to allow intensive future review. What if real time deep packet inspection and semantic analysis results in the flagging of on average, say, 1 in 10,000 transmissions. The crafty parser might contend that such selective processing does not constitute bulk collection.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish the critical votes could be delayed long enough to allow time to delve into more technical detail—not so all Members can be transformed into geeks, but because of the importance of the final language of any new legislation. Language concerning surveillance is as susceptible to crafty parsing as is language concerning torture, habeas corpus, presidential powers, or anything else.</p>
<p>As to bulk collection, crafty parsing might, I fear, play with “bulk.” What if all telephonic and Internet transmissions, or as many as feasible, are processed, with relatively few of them being captured so as to allow intensive future review. What if real time deep packet inspection and semantic analysis results in the flagging of on average, say, 1 in 10,000 transmissions. The crafty parser might contend that such selective processing does not constitute bulk collection.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/05/fisa-debate-liveblog/comment-page-2/#comment-50491</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;p.s. still a big dodd fan, but that was a disappointment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s. still a big dodd fan, but that was a disappointment.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/05/fisa-debate-liveblog/comment-page-2/#comment-50490</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;why no objection to the UC on thursday?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why no objection to the UC on thursday?</p>
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		<title>By: mbrownerhamlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbrownerhamlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What do you mean?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/05/fisa-debate-liveblog/comment-page-2/#comment-50486</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The winners write the history. Today, Bush, ATT, Rockefeller, the McConnell twins, Hayden, Reid and all the like will be writing the history of the illegal, corrupt Exec Branch and the disgraces in uniform and at Justice who helped further its crimes. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;not just them, mary. you too. and marcy. and hugh with his list. imo, that’s a big part of what we do here - we’re not letting the powerful have the only word on what our history will be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The winners write the history. Today, Bush, ATT, Rockefeller, the McConnell twins, Hayden, Reid and all the like will be writing the history of the illegal, corrupt Exec Branch and the disgraces in uniform and at Justice who helped further its crimes. </p>
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<p>not just them, mary. you too. and marcy. and hugh with his list. imo, that’s a big part of what we do here &#8211; we’re not letting the powerful have the only word on what our history will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;79 - I’ve never been very big on history or geography or war, so I really learn a lot from just random details in the book.  I never knew that there were countries prior to WWII in old Europe that had almost 100% literacy rates.  Lots of small picture and big picture things.  The discussions about how the Russians avoided some some of the outcome of Nuremberg themselves by being on the winners side rather than losers - those observations come in a lot now, don’t they?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Think about it.  What if Petraeus had sons being held by Taliban or Iranian or insurgent forces, and turned himself over to those forces to see his sons.  While held, he was beaten and tortured nightly by QUDs forces and then during the day was stuffed in a sleeping bag and beaten and suffocated, while the soldiers involved sat around sipping tea, until he died. Do you really think that if, after a cessation of hostilities, those soldiers were brought before an American court martial, they would sentence them to 60 days in the green zone? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The winners write the history.  Today, Bush, ATT, Rockefeller, the McConnell twins, Hayden, Reid and all the like will be writing the history of the illegal, corrupt Exec Branch and the disgraces in uniform and at Justice who helped further its crimes.  Apparently there will be a lot of reference to patriots, and holding firm and ticking time bombs and need - the need to waterboard and bury alive a crazy man.  I mean, with all they got from waterboarding, imagine if some pussies hadn’t stopped them from burying Zubaydah alive.  They might have found out even more about those Iraqi WMDs and training camps. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh well, as long as no one else is using, “and they all lived happily ever after” today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>79 &#8211; I’ve never been very big on history or geography or war, so I really learn a lot from just random details in the book.  I never knew that there were countries prior to WWII in old Europe that had almost 100% literacy rates.  Lots of small picture and big picture things.  The discussions about how the Russians avoided some some of the outcome of Nuremberg themselves by being on the winners side rather than losers &#8211; those observations come in a lot now, don’t they?  </p>
<p>Think about it.  What if Petraeus had sons being held by Taliban or Iranian or insurgent forces, and turned himself over to those forces to see his sons.  While held, he was beaten and tortured nightly by QUDs forces and then during the day was stuffed in a sleeping bag and beaten and suffocated, while the soldiers involved sat around sipping tea, until he died. Do you really think that if, after a cessation of hostilities, those soldiers were brought before an American court martial, they would sentence them to 60 days in the green zone? </p>
<p>The winners write the history.  Today, Bush, ATT, Rockefeller, the McConnell twins, Hayden, Reid and all the like will be writing the history of the illegal, corrupt Exec Branch and the disgraces in uniform and at Justice who helped further its crimes.  Apparently there will be a lot of reference to patriots, and holding firm and ticking time bombs and need &#8211; the need to waterboard and bury alive a crazy man.  I mean, with all they got from waterboarding, imagine if some pussies hadn’t stopped them from burying Zubaydah alive.  They might have found out even more about those Iraqi WMDs and training camps. </p>
<p>Oh well, as long as no one else is using, “and they all lived happily ever after” today.</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/02/05/fisa-debate-liveblog/comment-page-2/#comment-50467</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re a peach!  Besides, it will give me something to do while Kyl is yammering…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re a peach!  Besides, it will give me something to do while Kyl is yammering…</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just in case anyone is interested, Kitty’s up for reelection in 2010, Kyl in 2012.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case anyone is interested, Kitty’s up for reelection in 2010, Kyl in 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;short feingold clip is uploaded to youtube and being processed now. here’s the link i think it will have:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/CaFS07SqIN&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/v/CaFS07SqIN&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;will do more feingold later for phred’s repeat viewing pleasure.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>short feingold clip is uploaded to youtube and being processed now. here’s the link i think it will have:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/CaFS07SqIN" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/v/CaFS07SqIN</a></p>
<p>will do more feingold later for phred’s repeat viewing pleasure.</p>
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		<title>By: ticktock</title>
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		<dc:creator>ticktock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Telecom companies probably won’t have the customer bases they enjoyed in the past despite this whole issue because of competition….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are several internet companies that offer (like Vonage, NetZero) even more savings for internet telephone services that are just as good if not better because of the savings and their superior service as of right now…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if they even consider passing this whole incident on their customers they better be aware that there are many options than what they have to offer….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telecom companies probably won’t have the customer bases they enjoyed in the past despite this whole issue because of competition….</p>
<p>There are several internet companies that offer (like Vonage, NetZero) even more savings for internet telephone services that are just as good if not better because of the savings and their superior service as of right now…</p>
<p>So if they even consider passing this whole incident on their customers they better be aware that there are many options than what they have to offer….</p>
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