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	<title>Comments on: Dick&#8217;s Evolving Demands for Immunity</title>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/dicks-evolving-demands-for-immunity/comment-page-2/#comment-49166</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good analysis, thanks EW.  I/P is an entire realm where I’m out of my depth.  I suppose Israel could well be installing taps in those lines — note Saudi Arabia lies in the affected regions.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis, thanks EW.  I/P is an entire realm where I’m out of my depth.  I suppose Israel could well be installing taps in those lines — note Saudi Arabia lies in the affected regions.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/dicks-evolving-demands-for-immunity/comment-page-2/#comment-49158</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;We were discussing that a bit in the Richard Clarke thread.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What happens is that most ME countries will have diminished internet access for at least the next 10 days, and even then, many of their communications will go primarily through the US, not Europe. (There was a comment in one of the articles about how, after a cable goes down, communication patterns often remain in the interim path).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I kind of said this before. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, the Israelis seem to have little to no warning about the Hamas break-out, and there was coordination between Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood and someone else (I forget whether it was Ahmadinejad or Abdullah) got involved in a new way. So there you’ve got an event the Israelis (and presumably, therefore, the US) didn’t “hear” about before the fact.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But there’s another possibility. The US is prepping to put a bunch of special forces into the tribal lands in Pakistan and things are beginning to go really FUBAR there. There’s a whole lot of obscure factionalism in Pakistan, that, if you’re not seeing it, might put off a nuke or something. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if this was NOT a mistake (and I agree, it seems unlikely), then I’d say one of those two are likely explanations. Doesn’t mean the US took out the cables–that sounds like somethign Mossad would be particularly good at. But when you consider the communication patters (and the way Israel has its own lifeline) you can imagine they’ve kept this in mind as a possible strategy for some time.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We were discussing that a bit in the Richard Clarke thread.</p>
<p>What happens is that most ME countries will have diminished internet access for at least the next 10 days, and even then, many of their communications will go primarily through the US, not Europe. (There was a comment in one of the articles about how, after a cable goes down, communication patterns often remain in the interim path).</p>
<p>I kind of said this before. </p>
<p>First, the Israelis seem to have little to no warning about the Hamas break-out, and there was coordination between Hamas and Muslim Brotherhood and someone else (I forget whether it was Ahmadinejad or Abdullah) got involved in a new way. So there you’ve got an event the Israelis (and presumably, therefore, the US) didn’t “hear” about before the fact.</p>
<p>But there’s another possibility. The US is prepping to put a bunch of special forces into the tribal lands in Pakistan and things are beginning to go really FUBAR there. There’s a whole lot of obscure factionalism in Pakistan, that, if you’re not seeing it, might put off a nuke or something. </p>
<p>So if this was NOT a mistake (and I agree, it seems unlikely), then I’d say one of those two are likely explanations. Doesn’t mean the US took out the cables–that sounds like somethign Mossad would be particularly good at. But when you consider the communication patters (and the way Israel has its own lifeline) you can imagine they’ve kept this in mind as a possible strategy for some time.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/dicks-evolving-demands-for-immunity/comment-page-2/#comment-49156</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 19:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/01/internet.outage/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Third Undersea Cable Cut off Mideast&lt;/a&gt;.  So it’s almost certainly a coordinated attack (or else the initial attack has been followed by a  me-too).  But who benefits?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/02/01/internet.outage/index.html" rel="nofollow">Third Undersea Cable Cut off Mideast</a>.  So it’s almost certainly a coordinated attack (or else the initial attack has been followed by a  me-too).  But who benefits?</p>
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		<title>By: darclay</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/dicks-evolving-demands-for-immunity/comment-page-2/#comment-49043</link>
		<dc:creator>darclay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;B-maz could you recomend a good textbook on basic political science, need to brush up,ie terms, process.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B-maz could you recomend a good textbook on basic political science, need to brush up,ie terms, process.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/dicks-evolving-demands-for-immunity/comment-page-2/#comment-49037</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:27:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;nevermind&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just follow the obvious…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nevermind</p>
<p>Just follow the obvious…</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;cboldt&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actually, I only have your old one–remind me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cboldt</p>
<p>Actually, I only have your old one–remind me.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So…is it at all possible for us to demand a recusal and a special prosecutor for cases that may have been impacted by domestic spying, because Dick has admitted that the telecoms have spied on us, and Mukasey’s son works for a telecom?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So…is it at all possible for us to demand a recusal and a special prosecutor for cases that may have been impacted by domestic spying, because Dick has admitted that the telecoms have spied on us, and Mukasey’s son works for a telecom?</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/dicks-evolving-demands-for-immunity/comment-page-2/#comment-49034</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And what good does guilt do?  What a fucked up justice system!  Why does anyone wonder why there is such deep disrespect amongst the peasants for the U.S. justice system?  No need to wonder.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what good does guilt do?  What a fucked up justice system!  Why does anyone wonder why there is such deep disrespect amongst the peasants for the U.S. justice system?  No need to wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/31/dicks-evolving-demands-for-immunity/comment-page-2/#comment-49031</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Schumer, Feinstein, and Spector knew Mukassey would do the dance&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schumer, Feinstein, and Spector knew Mukassey would do the dance</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 14:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Or Colin Powell’s phone calls&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or Colin Powell’s phone calls</p>
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