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	<title>Comments on: Mukasey, Orwell, and Bradbury</title>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/26/mukasey-orwell-and-bradbury/comment-page-2/#comment-47986</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 18:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OMG!! I first wondered whether that image of the brain had been Photoshopped, but I fear that it is authentic.  (shudder!)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Good to hear that someone else shares my perspective on the farm tragedies in US.  I think that I read (via one of Bob S’s links) that this year former State Dept officer Mark Grossman (who’s name keeps coming up with respect to selling nuclear secrets) is pulling down $3m/year at the Cohen Group.  What more need be said about the ironies of our age?  (Screw your fellow citizens; make a fortune.  Work hard, keep the faith, and be poisoned by pesticides while being financially screwed.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I think of those farmers as “Samwise” types; they’re too sane to be corrupted by The  Ring of Power, too decent to screw their friends, and too humble to draw attention to their accomplishments.  I still hold out hope that the collected gravity of their decency will prevail over arrogant expedience; time will tell.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG!! I first wondered whether that image of the brain had been Photoshopped, but I fear that it is authentic.  (shudder!)</p>
<p>Good to hear that someone else shares my perspective on the farm tragedies in US.  I think that I read (via one of Bob S’s links) that this year former State Dept officer Mark Grossman (who’s name keeps coming up with respect to selling nuclear secrets) is pulling down $3m/year at the Cohen Group.  What more need be said about the ironies of our age?  (Screw your fellow citizens; make a fortune.  Work hard, keep the faith, and be poisoned by pesticides while being financially screwed.)</p>
<p>But I think of those farmers as “Samwise” types; they’re too sane to be corrupted by The  Ring of Power, too decent to screw their friends, and too humble to draw attention to their accomplishments.  I still hold out hope that the collected gravity of their decency will prevail over arrogant expedience; time will tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 14:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;rOTL @ 120: Your take on farmers and ranchers is dead on.  And your mention of the legend of the Spartan boy brings to mind a totally &lt;em&gt;unrelated post yesterday by Shelley Batts&lt;/em&gt; on her science blog, &lt;em&gt;Retrospectacle&lt;/em&gt;, in which she describes an nasty insect called the Human Bot Fly.  She includes an horrific picture of a human brain partially hollowed out and eaten by a HBF larva. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/retrospectacle/2008/01/of_the_5_most_horrifying_insec.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://scienceblogs.com/retros....._insec.php&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Think of the Bush, Cheney et al as the Bot Flies of American Democracy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rOTL @ 120: Your take on farmers and ranchers is dead on.  And your mention of the legend of the Spartan boy brings to mind a totally <em>unrelated post yesterday by Shelley Batts</em> on her science blog, <em>Retrospectacle</em>, in which she describes an nasty insect called the Human Bot Fly.  She includes an horrific picture of a human brain partially hollowed out and eaten by a HBF larva. </p>
<p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/retrospectacle/2008/01/of_the_5_most_horrifying_insec.php" rel="nofollow">http://scienceblogs.com/retros&#8230;.._insec.php</a> </p>
<p>Think of the Bush, Cheney et al as the Bot Flies of American Democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/26/mukasey-orwell-and-bradbury/comment-page-2/#comment-47871</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[9-11]  was, of course, not just squandered; but far worse, cravenly exploited &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Agree completely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for your point about the farm base…. The quickest comment would be: see the movie “&lt;em&gt;Michael Clayton&lt;/em&gt;” (which, BTW, is nominated for Best Picture this year).  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The farmers, orchardists, ranchers and their families that I know are stoic — almost to the point of being like the little Spartan boy of Greek legend, who died because he remained silent while a fox ate his liver.  Several of the farm families that I know have burned through equity, been hit by horrendous health problems, yet stoically gone about their business, uncomplaining as long as they can continue to get their bank loans.  But several have been humiliated by banks, and had to sell their goods and properties at auction.  What does a 50-something dairy farmer do once he’s had to sell his farm/heritage/dreams…?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most of the farmers of my acquaintance have deep religious faith. What they do is so risky, and the forces against them are so huge, that those without a very strong belief system simply can’t stay in it.  No matter how hard those farmers work, they don’t make anything close to what a successful realtor or mortgage broker rakes in.  We live in unjust times.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wm Ockham @110 —  perhaps Mukasey’s tragedy is also like the stoic Spartan boy.  Impassive, while Bush, Cheney, Addington, and their apparatchiks eat his soul because they can count on him to keep their dark secrets.  I don’t understand how ’silence’ can be deemed to be courageous in such a situation, but I do recognize the tragedy.&lt;br /&gt;
Thx for the excellent Language Links.&lt;br /&gt;
It turns out that there yours is not the only name on that website that I am familiar with; interesting  coincidence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>[9-11]  was, of course, not just squandered; but far worse, cravenly exploited </em></p>
<p>Agree completely.</p>
<p>As for your point about the farm base…. The quickest comment would be: see the movie “<em>Michael Clayton</em>” (which, BTW, is nominated for Best Picture this year).  </p>
<p>The farmers, orchardists, ranchers and their families that I know are stoic — almost to the point of being like the little Spartan boy of Greek legend, who died because he remained silent while a fox ate his liver.  Several of the farm families that I know have burned through equity, been hit by horrendous health problems, yet stoically gone about their business, uncomplaining as long as they can continue to get their bank loans.  But several have been humiliated by banks, and had to sell their goods and properties at auction.  What does a 50-something dairy farmer do once he’s had to sell his farm/heritage/dreams…?  </p>
<p>Most of the farmers of my acquaintance have deep religious faith. What they do is so risky, and the forces against them are so huge, that those without a very strong belief system simply can’t stay in it.  No matter how hard those farmers work, they don’t make anything close to what a successful realtor or mortgage broker rakes in.  We live in unjust times.</p>
<p>Wm Ockham @110 —  perhaps Mukasey’s tragedy is also like the stoic Spartan boy.  Impassive, while Bush, Cheney, Addington, and their apparatchiks eat his soul because they can count on him to keep their dark secrets.  I don’t understand how ’silence’ can be deemed to be courageous in such a situation, but I do recognize the tragedy.<br />
Thx for the excellent Language Links.<br />
It turns out that there yours is not the only name on that website that I am familiar with; interesting  coincidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I heard Krogh pitching his book on BookTV not long ago, and he came across pretty much like Dean does.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Integrity-People-Choices-Lessons-White/dp/1586484672/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1201478793&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.amazon.com/Integrit.....038;sr=1-1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard Krogh pitching his book on BookTV not long ago, and he came across pretty much like Dean does.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Integrity-People-Choices-Lessons-White/dp/1586484672/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1201478793&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Integrit&#8230;..038;sr=1-1</a></p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know so much about Krogh any more as i simply have not heard or seen much, but i certainly will take your word for it; as to Dean, good call, I guess i didn’t even think about him because he really seems to have walked away from all of that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know so much about Krogh any more as i simply have not heard or seen much, but i certainly will take your word for it; as to Dean, good call, I guess i didn’t even think about him because he really seems to have walked away from all of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bmaz @ 110, WO @ 112:&lt;br /&gt;
Another two are John Dean and Egil Krogh, both ex-Watergate figures.  It might have been Dean, but someone I read recently stated that any principled conservative has by definition left the Republican Party.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bmaz @ 110, WO @ 112:<br />
Another two are John Dean and Egil Krogh, both ex-Watergate figures.  It might have been Dean, but someone I read recently stated that any principled conservative has by definition left the Republican Party.</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Was out this afternoon, just left you a reply on the thread below that you mentioned.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was out this afternoon, just left you a reply on the thread below that you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/26/mukasey-orwell-and-bradbury/comment-page-1/#comment-47853</link>
		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops!  Here’s the link to the single page version:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?ref=magazine&amp;pagewanted=all&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01.....wanted=all&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops!  Here’s the link to the single page version:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?ref=magazine&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01&#8230;..wanted=all</a></p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/26/mukasey-orwell-and-bradbury/comment-page-1/#comment-47852</link>
		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t recall yet seeing a link to Parag Khanna’s piece in today’s &lt;em&gt;NYT Magazine&lt;/em&gt; entitled “Waving Goodbye To Hegemony”, but it’s a must-read:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?ref=magazine&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01.....f=magazine&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t recall yet seeing a link to Parag Khanna’s piece in today’s <em>NYT Magazine</em> entitled “Waving Goodbye To Hegemony”, but it’s a must-read:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/magazine/27world-t.html?ref=magazine" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01&#8230;..f=magazine</a></p>
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		<title>By: WilliamOckham</title>
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		<dc:creator>WilliamOckham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let’s see if I can make this personal bit of bragging sound on topic. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the use and abuse of language interests you and you can put up with a bit of professional linguist jargon, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Language Log&lt;/a&gt; is a great blog. I recently achieved one of my life goals by getting a &lt;a href=&quot;http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/005334.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mention&lt;/a&gt; there. I will warn you that you really have to be a total language nerd to get much out of the site.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s see if I can make this personal bit of bragging sound on topic. </p>
<p>If the use and abuse of language interests you and you can put up with a bit of professional linguist jargon, the <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/" rel="nofollow">Language Log</a> is a great blog. I recently achieved one of my life goals by getting a <a href="http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/005334.html" rel="nofollow">mention</a> there. I will warn you that you really have to be a total language nerd to get much out of the site.</p>
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