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	<title>Comments on: Plame Investigation and Missing Emails: Analysis on Emails</title>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/21/plame-investigation-and-missing-emails-analysis-on-emails/comment-page-2/#comment-47008</link>
		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;sure wish there were more we could do to dig into this…. there must be &lt;em&gt;logs&lt;/em&gt; somewhere.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sure wish there were more we could do to dig into this…. there must be <em>logs</em> somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/21/plame-investigation-and-missing-emails-analysis-on-emails/comment-page-2/#comment-47003</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TheraP — yes, that’s the same kind of “knife” that was used.  There was a lot of sniffing going on when ePM folks (of which I’m one) went looking through infrastructure for relationships, and the “knife” definitely helped.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can tell you from use of the same “knife” that many states are besieged with what appear to be separate organizations that harass them with ballot initiatives — but are ultimately all related to two organizations and two key individuals.  I’ll likely be using the same “knife” on an investigation in progress; given the name of the organization and their agenda, I will bet good money I can find them entwined in the same infrastructure.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unfortunately, though, once you get past a firewall, there’s not a lot that can be “cut out” with the “knife”.  I think the email situation is one of those.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TheraP — yes, that’s the same kind of “knife” that was used.  There was a lot of sniffing going on when ePM folks (of which I’m one) went looking through infrastructure for relationships, and the “knife” definitely helped.</p>
<p>I can tell you from use of the same “knife” that many states are besieged with what appear to be separate organizations that harass them with ballot initiatives — but are ultimately all related to two organizations and two key individuals.  I’ll likely be using the same “knife” on an investigation in progress; given the name of the organization and their agenda, I will bet good money I can find them entwined in the same infrastructure.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, though, once you get past a firewall, there’s not a lot that can be “cut out” with the “knife”.  I think the email situation is one of those.</p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/21/plame-investigation-and-missing-emails-analysis-on-emails/comment-page-2/#comment-46999</link>
		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just FYI, many of the redbooks are available now online. I don’t know if that applies directly to Lotus Notes or not, but I run across them quite frequently when I am doing research.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I perused some of ‘em last nite, go again this evening.  For any techies interested they are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www-1.ibm.com/support/search.wss?rs=475&amp;apar=include&amp;tc=SSKTWP&amp;tc=SSKTMJ&amp;loc=en_US&amp;cs=utf-8&amp;lang=en&amp;sort=desc&amp;p=7&amp;dc=DA4A20+DA700&amp;dtm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here &lt;/a&gt;(about midstream through era of ARMS setup at that link).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Just FYI, many of the redbooks are available now online. I don’t know if that applies directly to Lotus Notes or not, but I run across them quite frequently when I am doing research.</p>
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<p>I perused some of ‘em last nite, go again this evening.  For any techies interested they are <a href="http://www-1.ibm.com/support/search.wss?rs=475&amp;apar=include&amp;tc=SSKTWP&amp;tc=SSKTMJ&amp;loc=en_US&amp;cs=utf-8&amp;lang=en&amp;sort=desc&amp;p=7&amp;dc=DA4A20+DA700&amp;dtm" rel="nofollow">here </a>(about midstream through era of ARMS setup at that link).</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;No one has come up with one of all these emails that you presume are being hidden, or have been deleted. No one says they saw one.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where to start? It seems like intentional obfuscation but its more likely cognitive dissonance and if so, why engage?  And here’s dessert for anyone needing a deliciously ironic shit stain topper,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;but give the plot theories a rest. They aren’t that smart.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>No one has come up with one of all these emails that you presume are being hidden, or have been deleted. No one says they saw one.</em></p>
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<p>Where to start? It seems like intentional obfuscation but its more likely cognitive dissonance and if so, why engage?  And here’s dessert for anyone needing a deliciously ironic shit stain topper,</p>
<blockquote><p><em>but give the plot theories a rest. They aren’t that smart.</em></p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also interesting that Mrs P disappeared off the radar right about the time that the mystery poster became “famous” and then promptly disappeared off the radar.  Very strange coincidences.  Even though Mrs P later assured me she was unable to find a method to follow there.  I tried but failed to reach Mrs P about a month or two ago.  But no response.  I am hopeful her sleuthing abilities are being put to good use as this was person with huge amount of energy and skill fired up against the bush cabal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus I’m putting my hopes in C92.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also interesting that Mrs P disappeared off the radar right about the time that the mystery poster became “famous” and then promptly disappeared off the radar.  Very strange coincidences.  Even though Mrs P later assured me she was unable to find a method to follow there.  I tried but failed to reach Mrs P about a month or two ago.  But no response.  I am hopeful her sleuthing abilities are being put to good use as this was person with huge amount of energy and skill fired up against the bush cabal.</p>
<p>Thus I’m putting my hopes in C92.</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m no expert on this stuff.  You’d have to check out what she’s done, not only with that.  But in other ways.  Again, I’m betting C92 may know a lot more.  Or google can help you to follow what Mrs P has done.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m no expert on this stuff.  You’d have to check out what she’s done, not only with that.  But in other ways.  Again, I’m betting C92 may know a lot more.  Or google can help you to follow what Mrs P has done.</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/21/plame-investigation-and-missing-emails-analysis-on-emails/comment-page-2/#comment-46991</link>
		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.robtex.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robtex’s Swiss Army internet tool&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.robtex.com/" rel="nofollow">Robtex’s Swiss Army internet tool</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/21/plame-investigation-and-missing-emails-analysis-on-emails/comment-page-2/#comment-46990</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think we’ve seen that “knife” in use — SmarTech and GovTech, for example.  Is that what you mean?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we’ve seen that “knife” in use — SmarTech and GovTech, for example.  Is that what you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: TheraP</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/21/plame-investigation-and-missing-emails-analysis-on-emails/comment-page-2/#comment-46986</link>
		<dc:creator>TheraP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The famous Mrs P unearthed some interesting methods for searching for information about who owns what.  Her field is auditing.  (and I am continually hopeful that her skills are being employed by Waxman etc. in ferreting out these crimes)  In any case via her methods it is possible to peer into the kinds of yearly paperwork any corporation must file.  And she found many interesting things about data companies, such as the fact that many of them seem to have similar addresses or change their name but keep the same address, etc.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m thinking that Mrs P’s methods might come in very handy at the moment.  With a bit of googling you can check them out.  There’s something called the “Swiss Army Knife” method.  And you could also take a look at how she has used her methods and what she found out about some companies.  So as not to leave too many tracks here, I won’t say more.  I think C92 is very familiar with this as well, if memory serves.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The famous Mrs P unearthed some interesting methods for searching for information about who owns what.  Her field is auditing.  (and I am continually hopeful that her skills are being employed by Waxman etc. in ferreting out these crimes)  In any case via her methods it is possible to peer into the kinds of yearly paperwork any corporation must file.  And she found many interesting things about data companies, such as the fact that many of them seem to have similar addresses or change their name but keep the same address, etc.  </p>
<p>I’m thinking that Mrs P’s methods might come in very handy at the moment.  With a bit of googling you can check them out.  There’s something called the “Swiss Army Knife” method.  And you could also take a look at how she has used her methods and what she found out about some companies.  So as not to leave too many tracks here, I won’t say more.  I think C92 is very familiar with this as well, if memory serves.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very nice overview.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are other nits-nats that we haven’t looked at either, like the cellphone antenna system installed in Congress by a firm for which Abramoff lobbied, that is also alleged to have installed a secure T1 line into the White House.  We have nothing that links this to the missing emails problem, but if the possibility exists for a company owned by foreign agents to install technical equipment in Congress and possibly in the White House, there are still other potential security breaches through which emails could be disappeared.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would not give the Archives too much credence as yet; remember that the National Archivist was replaced in a manner not dissimilar to the replacement of U.S. Attorneys.  Why replace the Archivist? (should check the timing on the departure, too…)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;jodi (216) — Blogger.com is very easy to use and free, too.  If you don’t like the kind of conversation going on here, why don’t you start your own damned blog.  Or are we getting too close for your handlers’ comfort?  That’s what I think every time you demand we stop.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice overview.  </p>
<p>There are other nits-nats that we haven’t looked at either, like the cellphone antenna system installed in Congress by a firm for which Abramoff lobbied, that is also alleged to have installed a secure T1 line into the White House.  We have nothing that links this to the missing emails problem, but if the possibility exists for a company owned by foreign agents to install technical equipment in Congress and possibly in the White House, there are still other potential security breaches through which emails could be disappeared.</p>
<p>I would not give the Archives too much credence as yet; remember that the National Archivist was replaced in a manner not dissimilar to the replacement of U.S. Attorneys.  Why replace the Archivist? (should check the timing on the departure, too…)</p>
<p>jodi (216) — Blogger.com is very easy to use and free, too.  If you don’t like the kind of conversation going on here, why don’t you start your own damned blog.  Or are we getting too close for your handlers’ comfort?  That’s what I think every time you demand we stop.</p>
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