This is the post I promised, in which I'll analyze what the timeline of the missing dates shows. As I said in that post, this exercise makes several assumptions, some of which clearly are not true:
- It assumes all the missing emails have some tie to the Plame leak; we know this is not true because of the volume of email missing from offices uninvolved in the leak, and there is at least one period when no archive of OVP email exists for which I can think of no Plame leak correlation.
- It assumes we're seeing all the missing emails; we're not. There's a bunch of dates on which there is a very small amount of email archived, and if we were to do this analysis properly, we'd need to know those dates, too.
- It assumes the email archives were destroyed deliberately to hide legally dubious acts. While that might be a fair assumption with this administration, we don't know for sure that is true, so by trying to find correlations between missing emails and known events, we may end up imagining motivations on the part of the White House that didn't exist.
So understand that this is as much a thought experiment as useful analysis. It basically tries to answer the question, "Assuming most of the WH and OVP email gaps during this period relate to the Plame investigation, why might the WH have been deleting archives? What were they trying to hide?"
Also, consider some limits about the content of the email. We're assuming the email was dangerous enough to make it worthwhile to delete. Yet, given that Fitzgerald got at least 250 pages of the missing OVP emails (and presumably a similar amount of missing WH emails), one of the following must be true:
- The emails were not damaging enough to support an indictment for anyone beyond Libby. Only one of these emails was ever even introduced at Libby's trial--and it was nowhere near the most incriminating piece of evidence. So the emails Fitzgerald received, at least, either contain no smoking gun or he chose not to pursue the smoking gun.
- The truly damaging emails would not be included in any of the subpoenaed searches. I have already raised questions whether the draft search terms Addington proposed to search for emails pertaining to journalists would have returned all the responsive email, but it is also possible that, if they were trying to hide something, it was something outside of the general scope of the discovery, which was mostly limited to Wilson, Plame, Niger, and the journalists.
In other words, either those emails do not include a smoking gun, or Fitzgerald never found that smoking gun for a variety of reasons.
With all that said, it appears that almost all the periods for which OVP or WH were missing emails (the exceptions being September 12, 2003 and May 21-23, 2005) were periods during which they were responding to document requests or subpoenas. There is clear indication that OVP, at least, attempted to shield conversations with journalists outside of Novak, Phelps, and Royce (and given Libby's claim that he didn't speak to Novak the week of the leak even though his Novak's phone records showed he did, he appears to have tried to shield his conversation with Novak, as well) [h/t Jeff for the correction]. Thus, one possible explanation for the missing email archives is that OVP and WH were trying to hide email discussions about their attempts to hide the most incriminating discussions with journalists, notably with Judy Miller.
September 12, 2003 (no OVP emails): This one-day gap in the archives occurs on the Friday before two Sunday events: Joe Wilson writes an op-ed for the San Jose Merc-News, and Cheney appears on MTP and disavows ever knowing Joe. Wilson's op-ed was itself a response to a major Bush speech on terrorism. Thus, it certainly seems possible that emails from the 12th discussed the upcoming MTP appearance--strategizing a way for Cheney to rebut Wilson. I'm wondering if they had any way of knowing about the Wilson column beforehand, and if they placed Cheney on MTP for that reason?
Even if Fitzgerald found something to that effect at the trial, it would be unlikely he'd introduce it. We know Fitzgerald also has, as evidence, an annotated copy of Sy Hersh's Stovepipe article which (like any lead-up to MTP discussing Wilson) would be evidence of ongoing obsession with Wilson and his claims, presumably on the part of both Libby and Cheney, but Fitzgerald didn't introduce that article at trial. By the same logic, he probably wouldn't introduce this.
October 1-3, 5, 2003 (no OVP emails): Obviously, this four day gap occurs just after the investigation began. From trial evidence, we know that Libby and Cheney had two or three discussions about getting Scottie McClellan to publicly exonerate Libby, as he had Rove. We know there were email discussions among OVP staffers about how McClellan's comments about Libby--that is the subject of the one email entered at trial that hadn't been archived. So to some degree, we know that this gap covers a period when OVP was trying to get Libby exonerated.
The gap covers another significant process, as well: the four day gap between the time when DOJ told WH to save any relevant materials, and the day when Gonzales passed on the specific request. If any significant evidence destruction occurred, it likely occurred in this period.
At the very least, though, we know that OVP started to collect information responsive to the document request and Libby had at least two conversations with Cheney in which he told Cheney the (evolving) story he was going to tell the FBI. During this period, Libby devised a cover story (that he learned Plame's identity from Russert), then he revised that story when he found the note indicating that Cheney told him of Plame's identity. Would any of these discussions show up in email? The discussions between Cheney and Libby almost certainly took place in person--they were conveniently together in Jackson Hole just after this period. But it's possible there were email discussions about what evidence turned up in the search.
Finally, consider the fact that, at least given the evidence that appeared at trial, OVP did not turn over materials clearly responsive to the initial document request that happened to mention one of the journalists not, originally, requested. For example, this hard copy of the Martin-Cooper email was not produced until after October 21 (Martin had an FBI interview on October 22), under Martin's certification. But the actual email did not come up on an email search until February 11. Yet the email clearly was a document "that relate[s] in any way to a contact with any member or representative of the news media about Joseph C. Wilson [and] his trip to Niger in February 2002," one of the first three document requests. Cooper asks, "Who in the vice president's office communicated to the CIA their interest in the Niger allegation?" While the email never mentions Wilson by name, Wilson's central assertion was that the CIA sent him in response to interest from Cheney. (Note, all this is true for Rove's Hadley email, as well--it was clearly responsive to the first document request.) OVP clearly interpreted the document request very narrowly. Was there a discussion on email to that effect? We know that Jenny Mayfield, at least, knew to leave all of her and Libby's email discovery to a centralized search (even as she did not turn over other clearly-responsive materials, annotated documents in her Niger/Uranium file), so at the very least, there must be some discussion that such searches would occur.
December 17, 20, 21, 2003 (no WH emails): Two significant events happened during this period. First, Jim Comey officially assumed the role of Deputy Attorney General on December 11. Prior to that date, Ashcroft had responded to demands that he recuse himself from the Plame investigation that he could not do so until there was a DAG. That suggests discussions about the recusal may have started almost immediately after Comey took over. If there were emails at the WH pertaining to that recusal, they would not have come up under any known subpoena.
It's also possible that the White House received a parallel subpoena to the one OVP received on December 16, asking for "any records relating to" either version of the INR memo, "including without limitation any records relating to the dissemination of such document." If it did, then it would mean there is no WH email for three of the four days between the date the subpoena was issued and its due date. We know the INR memo was on Air Force One the week of the leak in at least one form (from Powell; Howard Fineman once reported that a copy was also in Condi's briefing book), so a request for information about it would have implicated Dan Bartlett, as well as others aboard Air Force One (up to and including Bush), and it may have implicated those back at the White House corresponding with Air Force One (like Rove). If there were emails pertaining to the INR memo, they would have come up under a known subpoena only if they mentioned Wilson or Plame (which seems likely, though given the narrow response the White House made in October 2003, who knows if they would have turned it over?).
January 9-11, 2004 (no WH emails): These are the three days leading up to the day that Fitzgerald would arrange an interview with Novak, with waivers from Rove and Armitage in hand. Certainly, the WH was contemplating whether their various stories would hold up once Fitzgerald started talking to journalists about their specific contacts with Administration staffers. And given that we know Libby reached out to Russert, at least, in the period after signing a waiver, it's possible WH staffers reached out to other journalists. Such discussions may not have come under a known subpoena unless they mentioned Wilson or Plame.
January 29, February 7-8, 2004 (no WH or OVP emails); January 30-31, 2004 (no OVP emails), February 1-3, 2004 (no WH emails): This is the period during which WH and OVP were responding to a variety of subpoenas, including:
- Documents relating to the Air Force Two July 12 trip
- Air Force One phone records for leak week
- July 12, 2003 gaggle transcript
- Gerald Ford party guest list
- WHIG documents for July 2003
- Wilson-Plame-Niger documents since the start of the investigation
- Contacts with a slew of reporters
In other words, this is the period when it would become clear to the WH and OVP that Fitzgerald was interested in leaks to journalists besides Novak, Phelps, and Royce, WHIG activities after the leak, and contacts with journalists from Air Force One and Two. This was the period when it would have become clear that the very narrow response the WH and OVP took in the fall was not going to work and that Libby's and (presumably) Rove's lies might be exposed as such. It was also the period when people like David Addington were drafting narrow email search instructions that would have shielded contacts pertaining to Judy Miller, Andrea Mitchell, Matt Cooper (and, curiously, Glenn Kessler).
If there were discussions at OVP and WH--and between the two--about strategies for shielding some of this material, I can imagine they wouldn't want them to be easily discoverable. Since this batch of subpoenas asked for materials through the present (that is, January 23), any emails about these topics after January 23 would not be discoverable through any known subpoena.
February 15-17, 2005 (no OVP emails): I have to brag a little. When I saw these dates in Waxman's list, I guessed that it might correlate with the Appeals Court ruling that Judy and Cooper would have to reveal their sources. And boy did it, the day of the opinion and the two immediately thereafter.
I would imagine that OVP was in a full panic at this point: they knew that if Judy testified honestly, it would become fairly clear that Cheney had ordered Libby to leak Plame's identity to her, possibly with the foreknowledge of Bush. Would they be so stupid as to panic on email or leave some indication they were doing so? Might they have emailed Judy? I don't know. But if they did, these emails would not be discoverable through any known subpoena.
May 21-23, 2005 (no OVP emails): Unless Scalia gave his duck hunting buddy a heads up that SCOTUS was not going to review Judy and Cooper's appeal more than a month before SCOTUS announced this publicly, I can think of no Plame-related leak coordinating with this date.
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Do you think that the connection between Brewster Jennings and Seibel Edmonds is valid? The lastest article reporting that Brewster Jennings was outted by Grossman who was selling nuclear secrets to Saudi, Israel? Could this be why there was such a big controversy about “covert” because Brewster Jennings had been outted two years prior? Plame herself may not have been named but it might explain why she was going on a two year sabbatical (besides the kids). I found some interesting dove tailing of the stories. Wondered what you thought. I am still very skeptical because the facts are very slim pickens. But it’s interesting to me, and I wonder if there is anything in the timeline that might corroborate Edmonds story.
If you wanted it to look like an IT glitch, wouldn’t you just do a swipe across the board? Perhaps tossing in swipes to cover Abramoff and other wonderful incidents - in terms of the question “What were they trying to hide?”
Just thinking “out loud”…
EW, i know this is a thought experiment, and you’ve been doing phenomenal work pulling the various threads together into a coherent narrative, but I’m still trying to sort out the noncontiguous date problem and the magical period of March -October 2003 (as in why in October 2003 the back-ups started working again after 6 months, albeit sporadically).
I wonder if the reason the emails were “not backed up” for those 6 months was because people in the WH were not in the habit of deleting sensitive email. By October 2003, with the notification from DoJ to save all relevant materials, they would know their emails would be subjected to review, so perhaps at that point they established a formal policy that any discussions that could land them in legal trouble had to be deleted the same day they were sent. Prior to that, they would have to make all backups disappear because a conversation on July 11th would be archived on July 12th (hence, all emails from March to October had to disappear). After that, they would get away with their occasional “glitches” because they would know that sensitive emails would be deleted on specific dates.
Of course then this leads to the question of why go to all this trouble in the first place? If email could pose such a problem, why didn’t they discuss these things over the phone or in person? Did they fear being overheard or seen? This part still puzzles me. How hard would it have been for these people to sort things out verbally? Or perhaps they thought they could hide their tracks behind the 1st amendment protections for the journalists and their own executive privilege to keep all their written records secret?
I think it’s probably close to what you say. Though there are two other options to explain the March through October 2005. First, that they were deleting backup tapes regularly (and possibly archives, though none of the completely missing archives is included), but then stopped in response to the order to save documents. (That is, the deletions stopped in October after DOJ ordered them to save all information.)
But it’s also possible they did a clean swipe on, say, September 29, and just made up the backup tape excuse to explain away why the emails precisely covering the period of interest had no backup tapes.
Or it could be a combination of the two.
Something is definitely not right — I would dearly love to hear the IT explanation of all this. I wonder if they made sure all their techies drank the kool-aid, too?
phred,
Unlike DOJ, they couldn’t rely on Regent U. grads, but I’m betting they hired a bunch of these:
https://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=185
Is there any place we can look for the IT hires in OVP (and the rest of the WH) along with their qualifications?
Does anybody remember when the Chimperor was explaining/shitting on us about his lack of internet/email skills. It was back during this time frame. The scumbag gets that little shit eating smirk on his face only when he is rubbing someones face in it. In this case it was everyone not a kool aide drinker. Its like a poker player giving away his hand. Bush only does this stuff when someone is getting f’ed over by his little gang and we can’t stop him and he’ll get away with it.
If someone like has the stomach, this might he a telling timeline in Bush’s moments like this.
Either way it shows he knew. And was an active participant. And like his father they figured out plausible deniability. Interesting how all the Reagan and now Bush shenanigans have been operated out of OVP with pardons.
It does appear that Mr. Fitzgerald has answers to a lot of these questions. His offices are the only ones outside of EXEC, DOJ, ATT, Sprint……. that have some of the email that may deal with this.
Did he get all the email that he asked for? We know he did not. It no longer existed prior to his asking for it after they knew he would.
So, for the sake of argument, let’s say he has discovered they denied rightful discovery to him. His investigation is still open, and he is one of the only people in this country that can act as an independent prosecutor at this time and forego DOJ involvement in what he does. (except of course that they are tapping his computers and phones and home and life)
is another GJ pending? or was this another member of the stooges?
Oh dear, I hadn’t considered the possibility that the techies they hired might be just as incompetent as the Regent U. grads ; ) I should have known though, ’cause they have clearly all done a heckuva job ; )
Maybe I have not had enough caffein yet or something, but I just do not understand the spottiness of the emails, one day we have emails, the next day backup emails but no archive, the next day archive but no back up, plus variations in which office they were archiving. That is not like any international data center where I have worked, that is heads-will-roll type of stuff, plus the people who had access to the back ups did not have access to the archives and vis versa. Mistakes happen, and sometimes data disappears but, the damage is contained, and data can be retrieved from the backups, or a parallel system. In a corporate setting there would have had to be massive collusion to get this kind of spottiness. I quail at the thought that anyone like a judge could accept the explanations that have been given so far: these types of reasons are the kind of reasons that were thought up and were viable in the late 1980s. Which may give us a clue about the perpetrator(s).
That said, I hope Waxman got the procedures manuals, even if he didn’t get the hard drives, servers, etc., that would have been normal in a corporate setting. Of course it would be snide to suggest looking in the NSA tapes/servers etc.: presumably the NSA, in conjunctions with the telcoms, does not bug the White House, and it would be a ’state secret’ even if they did. Which leads again the question: why are they doing these discussions via email? No one, in places I’ve worked, disparages a fellow employee in a work review via email, since the early 90s, that has all been done by phone.
Maybe (speculation here) there was something else they didn’t want the public to see: maybe their reaction to the birdflu deaths in Vietnam (and how much money Rumsfeld was going to make on his Tamiflu investments), or their reaction to pictures published in the London Sun, of Saddam Hussein and Chemical Ali in prison.
Impressive. This -
OVP clearly interpreted the document request very narrowly. Was there a discussion on email to that effect? -
is a great guess, and the first sentence is an important insight regardless of whether or not the unarchived emails had anything to do with the CIA leak investigation or not.
However, I just noticed something. You say:
For example, this hard copy of the Martin-Cooper email was not produced until after October 21 (Martin had an FBI interview on October 22), under Martin’s certification. But the actual email did not come up on an email search until February 11.
First question: these are not identical, correct? They are clearly part of the same email chain between Martin and Cooper, but the email turned over in fall 2003 does not show up in the ones we have that were printed out February 11. Is that right? On a more substantive note, it’s worth noting that the email that Martin turned over after October 21, 2003 was probably the original a copy of which she had already turned over, in response to the December 16, 2003 subpoena item for the originals of her and Libby’s handwritten notes. (See, for instance, 2544, the very next Bates number, the copy of which is 1035.) Also, we can’t tell for sure that the email wasn’t turned over until February 2004, can we? That is, isn’t it possible that the printout from February 2004 is just the one that prosecutors happened to include in the book of grand jury exhibits, but that it had already been produced in fall 2003? Or am I confused here?
Emails are one thing, has anyone discussed the server log files? It is very difficult to centralize email archiving, but every email server should maintain log files for everything which passes through. If for no other reason, this should be done for security purposes.
Therefore, there should be a log of every email sent or received, maybe even to/from information, and each email has a unique number attached. These logs would clear up at least the number of emails sent/received.
Not having this information is like running your business without using a computerized accounting system. The accounting system only has a list of transactions, which is okay as long as you are not audited, where you need the original documents. But if you don’t have an accounting system, _and_ you throw away or lose the original documents, that is quite a different situation.
In fact the whole thing should be looked at from an accounting perspective. Someone should have been/should be watching how all this stuff works, in case it stops working. If I was a network/email admin and I suddenly noticed _no_ email activity, that would be pretty surprising.
So Congress can just ask the admins for ‘meta-data’. Like “did you ever notice large fluctuations in email traffic”? Who was in charge of this, you don’t even need to start with the actual content, start with the logs.
Cheney emails missing from day leak probe started.
from Think Progress by Faiz
Last week, House Oversight Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) revelaed that the White House failed to preserve emails for at least 473 separate days. Waxman’s report said “Vice President Cheney’s office showed no electronic messages on 16 occasions from September 2003 to May 2005.” Among the sixteen days for which email are missing from Vice President Cheney’s office “is Sept. 30, 2003, the same day the day the Justice Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation announced they were investigating who outed former CIA officer Valerie Plame Wilson.”
UPDATE: CREW has produced a report analyzing the major national news events that were going on around the dates of the missing White House emails.
Reagan stayed out of the way after that incident at the Hinckley Hilton.
Junya never searched for a VP, just waited to “discover” he already had
one trained in the system… MSM ate it up, adults to bolster the boy,
you see, sensible people, etc.
This is just a thought, but I doubt seriously that they would use an ordinary “techie” to conduct their skulduggery. Someone selectively planned what to do and how to do it. Considering that Bush and Cheney are probably both truly non-techie types, that would leave Rove or one of his minions, in my opinion.
Just as an aside, what was the name of the outfit that the RNC hired to handle its system? As I recall, there was some connection between its owner and Bush/Cheney/Rove. It would have been a fairly simple matter to just hand the correct access information for the White House email and infrastructure systems over to someone from that organization, who could press the right buttons.
That way, you have the appropriate separation so that Bush/Cheney/Rove can smile and say, “We didn’t do it…!”
It would be helpful to this analysis to note if there were significant dates for which e-mails are *not* missing. If few can be identified, it will support the conclusions of the above analysis.
Several months ago, there was similar discussion about all of this (although not nearly as interesting with the analysis that EW has provided here!).
I remember suggesting at the time, and I still believe that it is true, that perhaps there are several storage area networks(SANs)where a lot of this information has been stored out of reach and out of sight of any potential investigation. A fairly simple way to think of a SAN is a whole bunch of hard drives (similar to what is on a desktop computer) connected together to form terabytes of storage memory. If anyone discovered that information is being held on one SAN, it is a fairly simple matter to transfer it to another SAN. By the time a subpoena shows up, it is safely in another location, and someone can just smile sweetly and say, “There is nothing there.”
I do not think that any or all of the missing information has been deleted. When you consider the personalities of Cheney and Rove, they would want to preserve as much as possible for posterity to show how “brilliant” they were in effecting the “changes” they have architected. To their twisted way of thinking, there is nothing wrong in what they are doing, and they want their “rightful” place in history.
I just hope all of this will see the light of day soon… Then, Marcy can write the bestselling account of all of this
We DON’T know whether he got everything or not. We know he got stuff that was not archived, presumably either off the backup or off their computers. But we don’t know whether he believes he has gotten everything.
I agree with your suggestion that there had to be very high level planning of this. However, from the number of comments we have had from techies on the nature of the search itself, I have to side with phred that the ones actually carrying out the search had to be kool-aide drinkers or they would have made noises about the deficiencies in the searches.
Those Liberty U. computer science grads are out there, and they are getting involved. From the link I provided above, if you click on “Alumni” you will find interviews with a number of graduates of the program. Here are a few samples of the answers to the question “In terms of your profession, what are you doing today?”
Again, I would say that there is a good chance that these are the types of people whom Addington and Cheney would be most likely to hire for these jobs because they would be very likely to do “what it takes” to “get the job done”.
I guess you’re right–we don’t know, for sure, whether it had been turned over before.
As to whether the part that got printed out contemporaneously is part of the chain–WO has been puzzling the same thing. It appears to be the email Cooper sent in hte morning, printed out before he re-sent it. And that re-sent stuff is what we get later. Is that correct?
Isn’t that what Waxman’s/CREW’s chart is? A track of the fluctuations in traffic? Though why Payton can’t replicate it easily is a big big question.
Good point. But we don’t know that–we don’t know if, for example, one of the days where email appears to NOT be missing is actually missing all but two emails, know what I mean? That said, the big subpoena dates, with the exception of the April 2004 looking for all of Libby and Dick’s calendars, are covered, plus a big chunk that probably went out in anticipation of Dick’s interview in late May to June, and finally, a subpoena that went out between Judy’s two GJ appearances. Though by that time, they had to know Libby was going to get indicted, and they were barely hiding attempts to tamper with testimony.
Good point.
Link to CREW report: http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/30837
The shredder truck and Cheney’s comments about not leaving memo’s around make me think that unless they have a secure out of the country location for archives that they destroy as much as possible. They have learned hard lessons with their multiple dry runs towards this state of affairs they have created.
The shredder truck and Cheney’s comments about not leaving memo’s around make me think that unless they have a secure out of the country location for archives that they destroy as much as possible. They have learned hard lessons with their multiple dry runs towards this state of affairs they have created.
This comment by EW made me laugh:
Wilson’s OpEd appeared in the NY Times. Can anyone imagine a paper that had Judy Miller lunching with Libby and running around shouting “War is Good!” - and which recently hired Bill Kristol as a columnist - would alert the President of the United States about a forthcoming column that accuses him of lying us into war? So that he (meaning Rove’s button men) could respond?
Guffaw.
Link to CREW report: http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/30837
Though the op-ed I’m talking about IN THIS CASE is the MercNews one, from Fall 2003, when Wilson was already on everyoe’s radar.
That said, I have long wondered whether Judy would have told Libby about the forthcoming op-ed. Or whether anyone else would have. Or, for that matter, whether the MTP would have.
sorry about the double post at 25 and 26. I received a db error and reposted.
Ah! I see what you are saying… You could well be correct!
My line of thought, to a large degree, simply bypasses involving anyone else (Liberty grad or otherwise). There is probably a “core” group, including the guy who owns the IT services firm that handles or handled the RNC account.
Just my own speculative thinking…
Who is now in possession of the RNC servers and the tapes and other backup media?
That is probably how a sane, rational person would react or behave (and I do not disagree with your thoughts…).
Just remember that these idiots have awfully big egos, and I would not be surprised if it comes out later that one or all of them saved some things to “preserve” their place in posterity… These are not sane, rational people.
Oh, yes, I missed that, but that seems to be correct. And GX527 has notes on it that, I believe, are Libby’s, right? Or at least, the notes in the upper right corner are Libby’s.
Part of the point is that, if I’m not mistaken, Fitzgerald’s early-2004 subpoenas simply covered a lot of stuff that had already been subpoenaed, it seems. So a lot of stuff that may be datable as responsive to his early-2004 subpoena may well have been turned in earlier as well, particularly the email.
As a humorous analogy, if you have ever seen the movie “Young Frankenstein,” there is a scene where the young Dr. Frankenstein opens a book entitled, “How I Did It” by Baron von Frankenstein…
Thanks for the correction, which makes makes my comment inapplicable to this timeline. The question still seems pertinent: whether the Times alerted the WH about such an OpEd piece that obviously drive Cheney crazy and start Rove’s henchmen planning payback, and if so, how that fits into the subsequent behavior of the key players.
And to merkwurdigliebe, I have to say that Buck Turgidson remains one of my favorite characters.
Well, keep in mind two things. First, the document request in October 2003 was just that–a request. So while everyone was trying to appear responsive, they weren’t subpoenaed by a GJ to turn that stuff over.
Also, There appears to be a great deal of circumstantial evidence to suggest that no one, on either WH or OVP sides, were turning over materials relating to journalists not named Novak, Royce, and Phelps. Given how explicitly Libby argued during teh trial that he had no idea that the other journalists were an issue, I rather suspect the non-response about other journalists was rather well organized and thought-out.
Remember, too, that Libby at first wanted to limit his waiver to those journalists whom he had named (leaving out Novak), and Novak at first tried to object to universal waivers, though he was happy to accept waivers from Rove and Armi.
ew,
I think your assumptions for this post almost all completely wrong. The root cause of the email archive problem is IT incompetence. It is entirely possible (I think probable) that some folks in the WH took advantage of that incompetence to shield some of their actions. The bigger scandal, my view, is that there were clear indications early on in the Plame investigation that relevant emails weren’t being turned up and nobody did anything about it.
As the EOP migrated their users from Notes to Exchange, the process for archiving email needed to change. IT came up with a solution, but nobody actually verified that it was working consistently. This is simply inexcusable. There were legal requirements to ensure that the process worked. The IT team had just gone through a huge scandal on this very same issue. By the way, the IT folks claimed to be the whistleblowers in the Clinton-Gore administration email scandal. Where are they now?
If you want to understand what happened, you have to look at the FOIA documents from the CEQ that Citizen92 pointed us to. ARMS kept chugging along doing its thing until the last Notes server was retired. There’s an email in the CEQ document dump that was sent and archived on Oct. 23, 2003. The Martin-Cooper email was archived in ARMS even though Martin was already using Exchange in July 2003. It was archived because at that point they were still using Notes for outgoing and incoming external email. The Martin email to the NSC guy was archived by ARMS because the NSC was still on Notes when she sent it (again you can verify that with the CEQ document dump). Of course, the ARMS process itself had issues (the weirdness with the first Cooper to Martin email show that).
Part of the problem that the WH had in responding to Fitzgerald’s subpeonas was that they often looked in the wrong place for email. I don’t think anybody really understood how the archiving was working in the transition period.
In my own personal mind I have no doubt that this was done deliberately (perhaps not fully planned in advance, but done knowingly and with malice), and that Rove in particularly knew/knows what what happening.
However, I also have to observe that people here and on other self-described reality-based forums have a substantial lack of knowledge of the management of large-scale e-mail systems, enterprise backup systems, and the relatively new field of e-mail archiving. Managing a large e-mail system is very difficult, and the archiving requirement imposed (unilaterally, with no supporting law) by the Federal courts has driven even some of the best e-mail managers to the brink of (or over the edge of) despair. It is not a simple problem, particularly when combined with the spam situation, the explosion in digital document creation, and the unstoppable desire of every professional to have a local copy of everything on “his” PC and to work around every restriction that “IT” puts on his “freedom of action”. Backups alone were hard enough to deal with before archiving, and anyone who hasn’t experienced the stomach-dropping sensation of loading the one-and-only tape for a given recovery requirement and having the system throw a Tape Empty message hasn’t been in the business very long.
Flyover
Would it be possible to ease off on the “techie” business please? That is a particularly contemptuous term that William Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal (among others) likes to use when he is explaining to his readers how to evade the onerous restrictions that “corporate IT” has put on his ability to delete whatever he darn well wants to delete.
Wo
I’m not convinced the weirdness on the October 1 email are what you say they are. From a user’s standpoint, they all make sense as user issues.
But how does your argument account for the on and off archiving, two days at at time, then two more days later, and so on?
But it is useful to keep in mind that the Cheney/Rove/Libby/Bush team had already figured out by May 2003–two months before Amb. Wilson’s July 2003 NYT OpEd-that Joe Wilson had gone to Niger and debunked the yellow cake sale. The WH also had already figured out Valerie Plame’s CIA employment and her marriage to Joe Wilson before Wilson even composed his OpEd.
So Joe Wilson’s 7/2003 NYT OpEd did not spur the Bush administration’s inquiry into his private life, just the retribution.
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It’s hard to be sure without more information, but if we credit the CIO’s description of archiving Exchange-based emails (journaling to .pst files on network drives), then it is entirely likely that the process for pulling emails out of the journal mailbox and into .pst files was buggy. It could be as simple as scheduled processes not getting kicked off properly on certain days. Or, and this would be truly ironic, maybe the backups of Exchange Server interfered with the process that archived the emails. I can think of an almost infinite number of things that could have gone wrong. The biggest travesty is that they went wrong without anybody noticing or somebody noticed and nobody did anything.
By the way, I could swear that one of the CREW articles you linked to early on had some information about dates that EOP users were told to clean out their mailboxes because of server space issues. I can’t find that now. If anybody remembers what document that was in, I’d love to know. I think that would be helpful in figuring this stuff out.
Excellent point regarding logs — and one we discussed way back, seems like years ago.
BlackBerry devices, in particular, would be an excellent point of entry. The BlackBerry system may not keep the email itself from each device, but it should keep a log of the traffic. Obtaining those logs would do a couple of things in one fell swoop: 1) provide some insight into how much traffic never moved into the EOP network, as well as how much moved into/out of mobile devices; 2) document what emails are missing, although not the contents since only metadata would be available; 3) provide data on whom else was involved and never disclosed during the course of investigations, likely protected both by compartmentalization and by the use of communications external to EOP network.
Both the email and archive systems should also have logs that indicate what communications took place (metadata only) even if the emails were destroyed across all locations.
Flyover (39) — some of us who have actually worked in IT and on large enterprise infrastructure don’t really mind the “techie” business. We’ve been called far worse, especially when management doesn’t like the answers they get (ex. Yes, you are going to be charged for the laptop you broke. No, it didn’t drop off your bed in the hotel, I can see the butt print on the now-smashed display, we just don’t know if it’s your rear end…)
Every IT techie I have worked with have been a vehement gooper. It seems to have to do with association to (corporate) power; working on big people’s home computer and the like. In fact, it is rare that I find anyone centralist or “left” in any of the Engineering departments I worked in. (I am a hardware techie and find no offense to the name.)
That, obviously from all the posters here, is not even close to the rule, but it is very easy to find tech people that are compliant.
A side note:
A little justice is that the whole Engineering department I used to work with, vehement Repugs one and all, are now about to be unemployed because even their jobs are literally going to China this year. Of course it is the illegal aliens and the Dems fault, no doubt.
lol. Computers can provide more forensic evidence than merely emails.
If this disclosure was “voluntary” and controlled by the disclosing party, it should be presumed to be incomplete. What’s surprising is the apparent assumption that Congress and the public would not get even this close to the internal record-keeping of this White House. The seemingly targeted lapses in data appear to be politically essential to the WH, but also appear to be designed to fit a pattern of system incompetence.
That said, was it not during this period that former RNC wiz kid, Harvard trained lawyer and genuine computer guru Ken Mehlman, “supercomputerized” the RNC. One of the practical outcomes of this was a database that gave the RNC the ability to determine whether a ticket holder at any RNC event in the country had the requisite “R” after their name. That Republican “R”, not the ticket, is what really gained them access to the privatized public speaking events by the president and vice president, and what kept out the hoi poloi like Democrats.
My thesis is this. That the RNC, and hence the Rove machine, had and has access to the top IT skills in the country for projects they considered vital to their cause. But that they willfully ignored their legal obligation to implement a routine communications/disaster recover/permanent archiving system for the WH because it would have promoted only a governmental, not RNC, function. Which suggests that the RNC is using the capacity and inadequacy of the more limited system implemented at the WH for its own ends.
That last observation suggests that the next WH will have to treat the current WH communications system like the [pre-rebuilt] American Embassy in Moscow - as a communications sieve and national security disaster (because of all the bugs built into the building and its systems). And create a new one. Just one more GOP wrench in the gear works of a functioning democracy.
You have no idea if you haven’t worked in IT. Nothing like finding out your boss has a predilection for Catholic girls, Japanese anime and the color pink when performing diagnostics on his computer. If only I could have had the moxie and lack of morals to use that information for extortion…
The teens were flabbergasted to find out that I can see their web histories and AIM logs. Don’t check often, but it’s good that they know there are adult eyes on them from time to time.
Good points.
Libby at first wanted to limit his waiver to those journalists whom he had named (leaving out Novak)
I did not realize that at all; how do we know that?
Hmmm. I’ll need to go look. I think it’s from a discovery filing.
Agreed. Wilson and possibly Plame were potential threats (each for slightly different reasons) to a political team that thrived more than J. Edgar Hoover on keeping track of personal threats and retaliating with Roman excess. Wilson publishing his OpEd was the signal to unleash the hounds against a specific target.
I am a techie, too, and I don’t mind the term, particularly in that I work across the board in a number of different roles.
Thought for WO… If the users wanted or needed their email archives converted from Lotus Notes to Outlook/Exchange, that adds a layer of complexity and possible failure, as well. I led a project last year to do that very thing, and it was messy and painful. Otherwise, even thought the WH converted to Exchange, they would have had to keep the Lotus Notes system running so that users could refer back to their archives on that system.
Lotus Notes and Outlook/Exchange do not play well together, particularly on the same computer. There are ways they could work around that, though, so I wonder if the Lotus Notes system still operates for the benefit of a few for back-channel communications?
Didn’t some of the found e-mails come from Rover’s seized hard drive?
I can tell you first hand that the FBI and the NSA have had the technology to recover even physically broken hard drives and shredded backup tapes for over 20 years. That started when hard drives were 5 12″ platters holding *gasp* a megabyte! In secure facilities, even the platens from printers and typewriters had to be burned every so often, which shows they could recover data from them. The way that most hard drives work, even “wiping” a drive is of dubious value when you have the proper tools; the pattern of the data used to wipe the information inherently does not match the position of the original data. (I wasn’t involved, but I have worked on the design of hard drives since).
Oh, there it is, November 21 defense filing:
I think you just answered why the techies I’ve known tend to be Repug power worshipers. Those are the “safe” ones to hire.
We don’t know anything about Rove’s email except that there were about 4 different possible ways he lost it: by deleting it himself, by having the RNC delete it for him, by losing it in the normal WH way of losing email, or by using a personal account.
We do know that Fitz had copies of his hard drive, but we don’t know if he got anything off of it he didn’t otherwise get. We also know that Rove’s lawyer has gone to some pains to claim that Rove didn’t delete his emails knowing they were getting deleted everywhere.
Precisely. Imagine administrator access to all data, passwords and encryption for a sociopath.
can’t we get at rove’s “private” email?
Now THAT is an interesting line of inquiry — Lotus Notes still exists backend someplace at a minimum, for archival purposes. Those emails might be described as archived outside of the “normal archiving process”, if normal was now whatever worked with the Exchange system.
I’ve worked in an enterprise where we had both Lotus Notes and Exchange users, but the Notes system was entirely separate servers within the same network. Regret that I didn’t have a chance to do anything but data files for the Notes department, in hindsight.
Good one! I remember that, but I never really got the point. However, based on what Libby had told the FBI, would Novak not have counted as a “reporter to whom he had spoken about the subject matters under investigation”? In any case, what could have been the possible justification Libby would have offered for that offer to the FBI? Desire to protect free press? Desire to not get into other matters not relevant to the investigation? Odd that he would do that, isn’t it?
Maybe I missed it, but are the RNC servers in anyones sights? We have proof that a lot of official e-mails went through them, doesn’t that include them in any of the document demands?
I find tech people like other social groups tend to accumulate together. I worked at one place and everybody was so pro Bush as to make me vomit. I didn’t stay long, other places were the other way and the rethugs left.
That’s what I was asking in 32. Anyone know?
I don’t know. I’ve always assumed that Libby would say, “here are the four journalists I spoke to, and here are the waivers for those four.” In other words, putting him in charge of defining who got a waiver.
He was screwed anyway, since he must have included both Russert and Judy in that and by the time he made the offer, Russert had already talked to Eckenrode. Perhaps he was going to put a date onto Judy’s, freeing her to speak about July 12 exclusively? That might explain why it seems like he shifted everything about his Judy discussion one meeting later.
I’ve long argued that the earliest anyone was aware of the RNC servers was in May 2008, when Greenberg Traurig released a Susan Ralston email that went through her RNC address. That’s after all these document requests. And it’s not clear whether Fitz would have become aware of it immediately (though Peter Zeidenberg, who was part of the Abramoff team in PIN as well as part of the Plame team, was in a position to know both details).
So the question is, did the Plame team go back and ask for the RNC Rove emails? Eventually, almost certainly. But when? I have suspected that it wasn’t until October 2005, though I’m definitely rethinking that lately.
EW, May 2008 has not yet passed. Which year?
Sorry. May 2004.
Waxman’s already been that route…and of course, there’s a bunch of emails gone missing again. It’s a pattern.
We still don’t know, either, how far certain GOP-operatives and IT “solution providers” SmarTech and GovTech reached into the EOP network. We already know they were well past Congress’ firewall. The services they provided may have included email for Rove on behalf of the RNC.
Were these guys writing, speaking, winking, whispering, typing, or just plain lying?
A few juicy quotes….
“As a litigator, I will tell you documents are just the bane of our existence. Never write when you can speak. Never speak when you can wink.”
Statement of Jordan Eth, Sarbanes-Oxley: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly, Nov.10, 2005 on panel hostedby the National Law Journal and Stanford Law School’s Center on Ethics, reprinted in Nat.L.J. at p.18 (Dec.12, 2005).
Derivative update by Ruhnka & Bagby JDFSL:
“Never type when you can write, Never speak when you can whisper
Source: Briefing by John Bagby from Penn State (IT guru)
I love it. E-Mails are just so damn easy, they seem to trip up everyone.
Ahh, well done, phred.
Over the phone, at lunch, at the snack machine, in each others office. Even in the office supply closet. On the way somewhere. Email is for “official” proclamations in some areas. (The final draft of behind the scenes maneuvers.)
Even the deadly old fashioned usually untraceable desk side fax machine plays a good part when you wish to peruse lists, and mark up things.
Or a handwritten list, or a “typewriter” only printout, or my OWN FAVORITE .
I don’t even deal with the kind of unrelenting hostile scrutiny that people in the White House live with 24×7 but I take care to discuss “sensitive matters” very carefully. I have run into a few SEC, FBI, etc. sweeps relating to takeovers, lawsuits, and contract matters.
One where they came and confiscated the CEO’s old fashioned desk blotter for he had doodled on it.
But further on the subject, you should realize that a lot of stuff goes on all the time that people have an interest in not putting in a public record. Not just your particular heart’s interest Valerie Plame.
Sure would be great if there was at least 1 IT staff member who, knowing what was going on, in “Three Days of the Condor” style, made their own email backups.
Problem with the keyboard!!
my OWN FAVORITE, the file on the USB2 Flash drive usually carried on my key chain. No copy on any computer exists.
Mind you though, I have over 2 dozen of these up to 4GB.
Surely these secretive, obsessively secretive political types take these kind of simple obvious precautions.
I’ve still got Addington on the brain. It’s creepy. But it keeps me thinking.
Since revelation of use of RNC email accounts by the Bush Administration, I’ve been given over to believing that “all the good stuff” would be stashed there, given admissions from Rove’s world that he used the account almost exclusively as well as Susan Ralston’s telling email to the Abramoff crew that if they sent e-mails to the White House account, she couldn’t help them.
And that led me to believe that the official email system failure, that of EOP.GOV, ARMS, et al, was only a sideshow. That the real focus should be on GWB43.com.
But that may be a mistake.
You see, there’s no evidence that I know of showing ‘Cheney’s team’ using the RNC accounts? So what did they use? Other private accounts that have not yet been identified? Only secure “secret” email? No email?
Cheney’s team is super-secretive, so to believe they’d trust the RNC with the accounts is a stretch. Instead, we know these guys are comfortable with what they can control. And I believe they found some way to control the White House IT infrastructure.
I think I’m beginning to see the EOP.GOV email scandals again as pretty darn important - but not a George W Bush scandal. No I think this one is a Dick Cheney scandal.
Anyone else care to join me?
Here are the list of RNC-account users (page 15) from the June 2007 Waxman report - I don’t think there are many Cheneyites on there (Cathie Martin excepted):
Ahern, Kara
Fricks, Wesley
Marinis, Kate
Sforza, Scott
Bartlett, Dan
Garcia, Noe
Martin, Cathie
Shannon, Michael
Bearson, Darren
Goergen, BJ
Mayol, Annie
Simmons, Sarah
Becker, Glynda
Gray, Adrian
McBride, Anita
Sinatra, Nick
Best, Trey
Griffin, Tim
McBrien, Lauren
Smith, Brad
Britt, Mike
Henick, Chris
McCullough, Kelley
Soper, Steven
Card, Andrew
Hernandez, Israel
McLaughlin, Mindy
Swineheart, Jessica
Casale, Anthony AJ
Hester, Brad
McMahan, Thomas
Taylor, Sara
Cherry, Jane
Hoelscher, Doug
Mehlman, Ken
Terpeluk, Meredith
Clark, Alicia
Hollifields, Nathan
Napolitano, Michael
Thomas, Dave
Clyne, Megan
Hughes, Karen
Oschal, Jennifer
Thomas, Travis
Damas, Raul
Hughes, Taylor
Palasciano, Kristen
Thompson, Nicholas
Danforth, Melissa
Hunter, Matt
Pipes, Kasey
Wallace, Nicolle
Davis, Alicia
Huntsberry, Jason
Raad, Lori
Webster, Jocelyn
Davis, Mike
Jackson, Barry
Raines, Mel
Wehner, Peter
Dennard, Paris
Jennings, Scott
Ralston, Susan
Westine, Lezlee
Dyck, Paul
Johnson, Collister
Ritacco, Krista
Willeford, Emily
Elliott, Bridget
Jucas, Tracy
Rodriguez, Leonard
Wilson-Lawson, Lauren
Ellis, Michael
Kubena, Korinne
Rosenberger, Cliff
Zimmerman, Neil
Eskew, Carter
Lauckhardt, Shelby
Rove, Karl
OPA Intern
Felts, Jonathan
Levine, Adam
Schlapp, Matt
Flood, Angela
MacIntyre, Henley
Schmidt, Steve
Frans, Luke
Mamo, Jeanie
Seaton, Jon
Source: Letter from Robert K. Kelner to Rep. Henry A. Waxman