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		<title>By: parbuster</title>
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		<dc:creator>parbuster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;For anyone else who uses vitamin B-12 shots, the only benefit is in their head, he said. Moreover, since B-12 is a water soluble vitamin, extra doses of B12 just pass through the body and out in the urine&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Patently false. My wife and I had a virulent strain of Asian flu a number of years ago, and within 30 minutes of getting a B-12 injection, we both felt fine. Only a witch doctor would think that our &lt;strong&gt;TWO&lt;/strong&gt; similar experiences were no more than a placebo effect.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Patently false. My wife and I had a virulent strain of Asian flu a number of years ago, and within 30 minutes of getting a B-12 injection, we both felt fine. Only a witch doctor would think that our <strong>TWO</strong> similar experiences were no more than a placebo effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Evolute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 04:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;A: The only people who legitimately might need vitamin B-12 injections would be those with confirmed diagnoses of pernicious anemia, said Dr. George Blackburn…For anyone else who uses vitamin B-12 shots, the only benefit is in their head, he said. Moreover, since B-12 is a water soluble vitamin, extra doses of B12 just pass through the body and out in the urine&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;False. B12 shots are used extensively in the entertainment industry. For talent that often arrives for a 5 AM make-up call hungover and has to look “their best” under the lights, it is a regular procedure. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Years ago the set medic would give any “hurting” crew member a B-12 shot. I guarantee it helps.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A: The only people who legitimately might need vitamin B-12 injections would be those with confirmed diagnoses of pernicious anemia, said Dr. George Blackburn…For anyone else who uses vitamin B-12 shots, the only benefit is in their head, he said. Moreover, since B-12 is a water soluble vitamin, extra doses of B12 just pass through the body and out in the urine</p>
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<p>False. B12 shots are used extensively in the entertainment industry. For talent that often arrives for a 5 AM make-up call hungover and has to look “their best” under the lights, it is a regular procedure. </p>
<p>Years ago the set medic would give any “hurting” crew member a B-12 shot. I guarantee it helps.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Easy for Pettite though.  He wasn’t the main focus of the individual portion of the Mitchell Report (Clemens was) and nobody was out for blood against him (with Clemens they were).   There was also the fact that he was guilty and admitted so.  Now, again, Clemens is most likely guilty, but we really have no credible evidence of that, and Clemens denies it.  MacNamee is simply not credible.  He may well be truthful; but that is different from being credible.  I was/am a mediocre lawyer at best, and I could absolutely kill MacNamee on the witness stand; to the point where even you wouldn’t believe him if he told you the sky was blue afterwards.  There has got to be more than MacNamee or it just doesn’t hold up legally.  In the court of public opinion, the verdict is already signed, sealed and delivered.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy for Pettite though.  He wasn’t the main focus of the individual portion of the Mitchell Report (Clemens was) and nobody was out for blood against him (with Clemens they were).   There was also the fact that he was guilty and admitted so.  Now, again, Clemens is most likely guilty, but we really have no credible evidence of that, and Clemens denies it.  MacNamee is simply not credible.  He may well be truthful; but that is different from being credible.  I was/am a mediocre lawyer at best, and I could absolutely kill MacNamee on the witness stand; to the point where even you wouldn’t believe him if he told you the sky was blue afterwards.  There has got to be more than MacNamee or it just doesn’t hold up legally.  In the court of public opinion, the verdict is already signed, sealed and delivered.</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
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		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 22:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah. I understand your position.&lt;br /&gt;
Mitchell was in a helluva Catch-22 position.&lt;br /&gt;
In my opinion, my naming names it gave credence to the problem…&lt;br /&gt;
As you say though, he has run the risk of defaming someone who might be&lt;br /&gt;
innocent… which is bad… nobody wants to be caught up in a wide net.&lt;br /&gt;
The problem is there is no DNA evidence…&lt;br /&gt;
Oh well, I just thought Pettite handled the situation more professionally, but Roger, I dunno, but maybe we will find out….&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps that’s why God made apples and oranges…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. I understand your position.<br />
Mitchell was in a helluva Catch-22 position.<br />
In my opinion, my naming names it gave credence to the problem…<br />
As you say though, he has run the risk of defaming someone who might be<br />
innocent… which is bad… nobody wants to be caught up in a wide net.<br />
The problem is there is no DNA evidence…<br />
Oh well, I just thought Pettite handled the situation more professionally, but Roger, I dunno, but maybe we will find out….<br />
Perhaps that’s why God made apples and oranges…</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;BSL - Jeebus, I dunno.  I have questionable skills as a lawyer; sure don’t have many (any) as a doctor.  To the best of my limited knowledge, many people have used B-12 as an energy booster; but there is no medical evidence it really does anything.  I have heard of people (non-athlete; was a former client, a hypochondriac lady that was convinced she had chronic fatigue syndrome. Lyme disease or some shit like that) getting B-12 shots for fatigue; my guess is the doctor was giving it to her to shut her up.  As to lidocaine, that does have pain management uses.  That i can relate from personal experience; got a shot in my knee once before a state tennis tournament in high school.  Fucking shot hurt WAY more than the pain it was meant to fix; although after recovering from that trauma, it did help considerably.  No idea why you would get one in the butt, unless you had some type of glut or perhaps groin problem; no clue.  Listen, Clemens is quite likely guilty as hell; I just have enormous problems with the way things are being done against him; as to my beefs, it really doesn’t matter whether he is guilty or not.  I am also conditioned, as a condition of what I have done as a career,  to discount any evidence that is not supported and/or corroborated.  I think that, in this regard, most everything against individuals in the Mitchell report, including the part against Clemens, was stunningly and unethically lacking in a proper foundation.  I lost a great deal of respect for George Mitchell from him having signed off on this pile of crap with the inclusion of the personal stuff as to individuals.  the other part of the report was fine, but there is no way they should have included the reckless and flimsy personal stuff.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BSL &#8211; Jeebus, I dunno.  I have questionable skills as a lawyer; sure don’t have many (any) as a doctor.  To the best of my limited knowledge, many people have used B-12 as an energy booster; but there is no medical evidence it really does anything.  I have heard of people (non-athlete; was a former client, a hypochondriac lady that was convinced she had chronic fatigue syndrome. Lyme disease or some shit like that) getting B-12 shots for fatigue; my guess is the doctor was giving it to her to shut her up.  As to lidocaine, that does have pain management uses.  That i can relate from personal experience; got a shot in my knee once before a state tennis tournament in high school.  Fucking shot hurt WAY more than the pain it was meant to fix; although after recovering from that trauma, it did help considerably.  No idea why you would get one in the butt, unless you had some type of glut or perhaps groin problem; no clue.  Listen, Clemens is quite likely guilty as hell; I just have enormous problems with the way things are being done against him; as to my beefs, it really doesn’t matter whether he is guilty or not.  I am also conditioned, as a condition of what I have done as a career,  to discount any evidence that is not supported and/or corroborated.  I think that, in this regard, most everything against individuals in the Mitchell report, including the part against Clemens, was stunningly and unethically lacking in a proper foundation.  I lost a great deal of respect for George Mitchell from him having signed off on this pile of crap with the inclusion of the personal stuff as to individuals.  the other part of the report was fine, but there is no way they should have included the reckless and flimsy personal stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
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		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 19:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bmaz, Q and A on our friend Roger&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Q: Are there legitimate medical reasons for the treatments that Clemens&lt;br /&gt;
claims?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A: The only people who legitimately might need vitamin B12 injections would be those with confirmed diagnoses of pernicious anemia, said Dr. George Blackburn, director of the Center for the Study of Nutrition Medicine at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. “And it’s virtually impossible” to get pernicious anemia in modern America, where there is ample access to fish, eggs, and dairy products.For anyone else who uses vitamin B12 shots, the only benefit is in their head, he said. Moreover, since B12 is a water soluble vitamin, extra doses of B12 just pass through the body and out in the urine.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lidocaine, a painkiller used to treat pain in a localized site, is a different story. Many athletes who have pain in a specific site do get injections of Lidocaine or other painkillers such as Marcaine, which lasts three to four hours, much longer than Lidocaine, said Dr. Zahid H. Bajwa, an assistant professor of anesthesia and neurology at Beth Israel Deaconess.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There has been speculation that Clemens may have had Lidocaine injections into his buttocks. “I don’t know why you would inject Lidocaine deep into this muscle if in fact he did,” said Dr. Gary Wadler, a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine and a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency. In general, painkillers like Lidocaine are used very specifically to block nerves - and therefore - pain in a very specific part of the body, such as certain teeth during dental procedures or around aching joints.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;JUDY FOREMAN, Boston Globe&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bmaz, Q and A on our friend Roger</p>
<p>Q: Are there legitimate medical reasons for the treatments that Clemens<br />
claims?</p>
<p>A: The only people who legitimately might need vitamin B12 injections would be those with confirmed diagnoses of pernicious anemia, said Dr. George Blackburn, director of the Center for the Study of Nutrition Medicine at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. “And it’s virtually impossible” to get pernicious anemia in modern America, where there is ample access to fish, eggs, and dairy products.For anyone else who uses vitamin B12 shots, the only benefit is in their head, he said. Moreover, since B12 is a water soluble vitamin, extra doses of B12 just pass through the body and out in the urine.</p>
<p>Lidocaine, a painkiller used to treat pain in a localized site, is a different story. Many athletes who have pain in a specific site do get injections of Lidocaine or other painkillers such as Marcaine, which lasts three to four hours, much longer than Lidocaine, said Dr. Zahid H. Bajwa, an assistant professor of anesthesia and neurology at Beth Israel Deaconess.</p>
<p>There has been speculation that Clemens may have had Lidocaine injections into his buttocks. “I don’t know why you would inject Lidocaine deep into this muscle if in fact he did,” said Dr. Gary Wadler, a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine and a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency. In general, painkillers like Lidocaine are used very specifically to block nerves &#8211; and therefore &#8211; pain in a very specific part of the body, such as certain teeth during dental procedures or around aching joints.</p>
<p>JUDY FOREMAN, Boston Globe</p>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;PS - Commence Coronation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: randiego</title>
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		<dc:creator>randiego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the well-wishes everyone. It was tough watching that game bleed away… a very winnable game.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Disappointed in the offensive play-calling the red-zone, and punting on you’re own side of the field with the game on the line. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, like everyone else, wondering if we would have had a different outcome with Volek in the game in the 2nd half. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heckuva gutsy performance by Rivers though.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the well-wishes everyone. It was tough watching that game bleed away… a very winnable game.</p>
<p>Disappointed in the offensive play-calling the red-zone, and punting on you’re own side of the field with the game on the line. </p>
<p>And, like everyone else, wondering if we would have had a different outcome with Volek in the game in the 2nd half. </p>
<p>Heckuva gutsy performance by Rivers though.</p>
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		<title>By: Evolute</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evolute</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I would move to Canada if&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ush has one iota of influence on anything public after 1.20.09, particularly the national pastime.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thnx for the link…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“‘He wanted to be Kenesaw Mountain Landis,’ America’s first baseball commissioner, legendary for his power and dictatorial style. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like all idiots, ush is just exasperating.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Websters ever tried to define the phrase, “more is less,” they’d only have to insert his mug shot to say it all.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?</p>
<blockquote><p>I would move to Canada if</p>
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<p>ush has one iota of influence on anything public after 1.20.09, particularly the national pastime.</p>
<p>thnx for the link…</p>
<blockquote><p>“‘He wanted to be Kenesaw Mountain Landis,’ America’s first baseball commissioner, legendary for his power and dictatorial style. </p>
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<p>Like all idiots, ush is just exasperating.</p>
<p>If Websters ever tried to define the phrase, “more is less,” they’d only have to insert his mug shot to say it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 15:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Let’s see. They were wrong on Hillary Clinton, essentially nominating her for the presidency months before a primary was held. In Iowa, they were wrong on Mike Huckabee and Barack Obama, John Edwards and Clinton (again). In New Hampshire, wrong on Obama, Clinton (yet again), and — at least earlier in the campaign season — John McCain. In Michigan, wrong on McCain (again) and Mitt Romney. Just remind me, in this strange presidential nomination season in which each obscure primary is treated as if it were the night of the presidential election, when have they been right? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jay Rosen, &lt;a href=&quot;http://tomdispatch.com/post/174883/jay_rosen_mindlessness_in_the_media_campaign_2008&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mindlessness in the Media&lt;/a&gt;, Campaign 2008, Jan.20,2008
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Let’s see. They were wrong on Hillary Clinton, essentially nominating her for the presidency months before a primary was held. In Iowa, they were wrong on Mike Huckabee and Barack Obama, John Edwards and Clinton (again). In New Hampshire, wrong on Obama, Clinton (yet again), and — at least earlier in the campaign season — John McCain. In Michigan, wrong on McCain (again) and Mitt Romney. Just remind me, in this strange presidential nomination season in which each obscure primary is treated as if it were the night of the presidential election, when have they been right? </p>
<p>Jay Rosen, <a href="http://tomdispatch.com/post/174883/jay_rosen_mindlessness_in_the_media_campaign_2008" rel="nofollow">Mindlessness in the Media</a>, Campaign 2008, Jan.20,2008
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