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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 15:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hey, lookee here: The AP and NYT must be reading EW and her temporal masterpieces!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hey hey… I’ve thought the same thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our major daily posted an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abqjournal.com/opinion/editorials/278207opinion01-18-08.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;OpED&lt;/a&gt; yesterday (Fri) w/similar theme (may have to watch an ad to get in):&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;(…)&lt;br /&gt;
 The recycling, according to a White House aide’s sworn statement, was consistent with “industry best practices.” If the aide was referring to the president industry, the consistency that comes to mind is an 181/2-minute gap on the Nixon White House tapes subpoenaed by Watergate investigators.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d point out any criticism of W’ from these guys is rare, rather they’ve consistently stovepiped right-wing talking points.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, same OpEd starts out with this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Oops! White House political chief Karl Rove used Republican National Committee e-mail instead of archived White House e-mail for some communications. Not really a problem, though, except for the special prosecutor looking into White House leakage of a CIA operative’s name.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not really a problem?  I’ve penned a comment to ‘em, including (among other things) MadDog’s 1/17/08 post resurrecting the A&lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/tony-fratto-opens-his-big-fat-mouth-and-waxman-responds/#comment-45572&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bramoff/Kevin Ring&lt;/a&gt; email (thanks MD).  Sometimes they print me, sometimes not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve mean to ask about a repository (hopefully indexed w/dates and/or subject) for these types of things.  I tried getting into FDL archive EW frequently links @ &lt;a href=&quot;http://static1.firedoglake.com/28/files/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://static1.firedoglake.com/28/files/&lt;/a&gt;(…), but access denied.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyone know if there’s access to such a beast?… would enable me really elevate the efficacy for some of my “local communications” in these matters.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hey, lookee here: The AP and NYT must be reading EW and her temporal masterpieces!</p>
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<p>hey hey… I’ve thought the same thing.</p>
<p>Our major daily posted an <a href="http://www.abqjournal.com/opinion/editorials/278207opinion01-18-08.htm" rel="nofollow">OpED</a> yesterday (Fri) w/similar theme (may have to watch an ad to get in):</p>
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 The recycling, according to a White House aide’s sworn statement, was consistent with “industry best practices.” If the aide was referring to the president industry, the consistency that comes to mind is an 181/2-minute gap on the Nixon White House tapes subpoenaed by Watergate investigators.</p>
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<p>I’d point out any criticism of W’ from these guys is rare, rather they’ve consistently stovepiped right-wing talking points.  </p>
<p>However, same OpEd starts out with this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Oops! White House political chief Karl Rove used Republican National Committee e-mail instead of archived White House e-mail for some communications. Not really a problem, though, except for the special prosecutor looking into White House leakage of a CIA operative’s name.</p>
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<p>Not really a problem?  I’ve penned a comment to ‘em, including (among other things) MadDog’s 1/17/08 post resurrecting the A<a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/17/tony-fratto-opens-his-big-fat-mouth-and-waxman-responds/#comment-45572" rel="nofollow">bramoff/Kevin Ring</a> email (thanks MD).  Sometimes they print me, sometimes not.</p>
<p>I’ve mean to ask about a repository (hopefully indexed w/dates and/or subject) for these types of things.  I tried getting into FDL archive EW frequently links @ <a href="http://static1.firedoglake.com/28/files/" rel="nofollow">http://static1.firedoglake.com/28/files/</a>(…), but access denied.  </p>
<p>Anyone know if there’s access to such a beast?… would enable me really elevate the efficacy for some of my “local communications” in these matters.</p>
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		<title>By: JodiDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>JodiDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And by the way &lt;strong&gt;SeamusD&lt;/strong&gt;, do &lt;em&gt;“normal people”&lt;/em&gt; call others &lt;em&gt;“stupid twit”&lt;/em&gt; like you do.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If that is normal people, I am surprised that more don’t get arrested.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way <strong>SeamusD</strong>, do <em>“normal people”</em> call others <em>“stupid twit”</em> like you do.  </p>
<p>If that is normal people, I am surprised that more don’t get arrested.</p>
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		<title>By: JodiDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>JodiDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 09:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No so &lt;strong&gt;SeamusD&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why don’t you read the poor befuddled man’s own deposition?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;=http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20080118_Steven_Howards.pdf&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(&lt;em&gt;Sorry but normal html url doesn’t seem to work and neither will the tab up above.)&lt;/em&gt;  So put the url in your browser WITHOUT the initial = sign.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Allow some time for it is a long pdf file.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No so <strong>SeamusD</strong>.</p>
<p>Why don’t you read the poor befuddled man’s own deposition?</p>
<p>=http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20080118_Steven_Howards.pdf</p>
<p>(<em>Sorry but normal html url doesn’t seem to work and neither will the tab up above.)</em>  So put the url in your browser WITHOUT the initial = sign.</p>
<p>Allow some time for it is a long pdf file.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 07:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jdm - thanks for an awesome comment. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This  jogged my recollection:  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I mentioned regarding Windows OS(s) taking big leap in 2000… in a nutshell, here’s the deal: MS’s OS released that year called: Windows 2000 (W2k).&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the 1990s, between the emergence of the Web, the early days of eComm, the early days of distance learning (Blackboard Online), and the dotcom bust I saw some interesting things.  And with eComm and distance learning, the risk of losing data was just huge — so backups and redundancies were a big focus.  Server and network architecture aren’t my interest, nor my work, but I sure heard some frustated people in the 90s.  Admins went overboard to save and back up just about everything, or so it seemed to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My dim recollection is that after upgrades in 2000, people calmed down.  Partly b/c they didn’t have to spend time in meetings answering questions related to Y2K, but also because the servers were more stable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, all that worry was mostly background noise for me, because network architecture and server admin functions have never been my focus.  Nevertheless, the emphasis on backups and storage procedures was/is  important in anything I’ve done, so the WH claims about missing emails is simply not credible IMHO. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you for a very remarkable, and extremely informative comment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jdm &#8211; thanks for an awesome comment. </p>
<p>This  jogged my recollection:  </p>
<p><em>I mentioned regarding Windows OS(s) taking big leap in 2000… in a nutshell, here’s the deal: MS’s OS released that year called: Windows 2000 (W2k).</em></p>
<p>In the 1990s, between the emergence of the Web, the early days of eComm, the early days of distance learning (Blackboard Online), and the dotcom bust I saw some interesting things.  And with eComm and distance learning, the risk of losing data was just huge — so backups and redundancies were a big focus.  Server and network architecture aren’t my interest, nor my work, but I sure heard some frustated people in the 90s.  Admins went overboard to save and back up just about everything, or so it seemed to me.</p>
<p>My dim recollection is that after upgrades in 2000, people calmed down.  Partly b/c they didn’t have to spend time in meetings answering questions related to Y2K, but also because the servers were more stable.</p>
<p>However, all that worry was mostly background noise for me, because network architecture and server admin functions have never been my focus.  Nevertheless, the emphasis on backups and storage procedures was/is  important in anything I’ve done, so the WH claims about missing emails is simply not credible IMHO. </p>
<p>Thank you for a very remarkable, and extremely informative comment.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jan 2008 01:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, lookee here:  The AP and NYT &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-White-House-E-mail.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;must be reading EW&lt;/a&gt; and her temporal masterpieces!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, lookee here:  The AP and NYT <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-White-House-E-mail.html" rel="nofollow">must be reading EW</a> and her temporal masterpieces!</p>
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		<title>By: jdmckay</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdmckay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yeah, IBM had a Lotus for Windows.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m curious what OS Clinton’s WH was using under NOTES.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah, IBM had a Lotus for Windows.</p>
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<p>I’m curious what OS Clinton’s WH was using under NOTES.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Did Cheney order the action?  I bet he did and that is one of the reasons he refuses in bad faith to respond to the legitimate discovery attempt by Howards.   If so, I don’t understand why Cheney wasn’t sued as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Cheney order the action?  I bet he did and that is one of the reasons he refuses in bad faith to respond to the legitimate discovery attempt by Howards.   If so, I don’t understand why Cheney wasn’t sued as well.</p>
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		<title>By: SeamusD</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeamusD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 23:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You stupid twit, the guy was already talking to Cheney, and when he finished saying what he had to say, he merely patted Cheney’s shoulder, sorta like”no hard feelings, see ya later”, and walked away. No harm, no foul. You know, like normal people do!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You stupid twit, the guy was already talking to Cheney, and when he finished saying what he had to say, he merely patted Cheney’s shoulder, sorta like”no hard feelings, see ya later”, and walked away. No harm, no foul. You know, like normal people do!</p>
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		<title>By: JodiDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>JodiDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;On Cheney&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if some man accosted me and touched me I would hope my security detail would swarm him and throw him to the ground at the very least, and preferably before he got that close to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Likewise if someone did the same to &lt;strong&gt;Bush, Obama, Hillary, Edwards, Huckabee, McCain, Mitt.  &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That is why these people are provided security details.&lt;br /&gt;
The main fault I see with &lt;strong&gt;Cheney’s&lt;/strong&gt; security detail is that this guy got through them close enough to touch &lt;strong&gt;Cheney.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Suppose the man had had a knife, or a gun, or anthrax?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>On Cheney</strong></p>
<p>if some man accosted me and touched me I would hope my security detail would swarm him and throw him to the ground at the very least, and preferably before he got that close to me.</p>
<p>Likewise if someone did the same to <strong>Bush, Obama, Hillary, Edwards, Huckabee, McCain, Mitt.  </strong></p>
<p>That is why these people are provided security details.<br />
The main fault I see with <strong>Cheney’s</strong> security detail is that this guy got through them close enough to touch <strong>Cheney.</strong><br />
<strong><br />
Suppose the man had had a knife, or a gun, or anthrax?</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 22:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, IBM had a Lotus for Windows.  The corporation I worked for was standardized on Exchange on WinNT and Win2000, but one entire department standardized on Lotus because they needed the document management tools it provided.  It was still run on  WinNT/Win2000 servers, though.  Believe me, that particular department would have had a cow and turned the entire corporation upside down if they had lost any emails or documentation during the Y2K or subsequent migration to Exchange and Domino (for continued document management).  Just didn’t have the problem; we didn’t lose any data when we later upgraded the servers in 2002/2003, swapping out older systems for new ones.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Only place we ran UNIX was in research, for number crunching apps.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I still can’t find any good technical reason for any of this to have happened.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only other argument we’re not having yet is &lt;i&gt;archiving&lt;/i&gt; versus &lt;i&gt;backups&lt;/i&gt;; we come to a semantical argument here that “industry best practices” can’t resolve.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, IBM had a Lotus for Windows.  The corporation I worked for was standardized on Exchange on WinNT and Win2000, but one entire department standardized on Lotus because they needed the document management tools it provided.  It was still run on  WinNT/Win2000 servers, though.  Believe me, that particular department would have had a cow and turned the entire corporation upside down if they had lost any emails or documentation during the Y2K or subsequent migration to Exchange and Domino (for continued document management).  Just didn’t have the problem; we didn’t lose any data when we later upgraded the servers in 2002/2003, swapping out older systems for new ones.</p>
<p>(Only place we ran UNIX was in research, for number crunching apps.)</p>
<p>I still can’t find any good technical reason for any of this to have happened.</p>
<p>The only other argument we’re not having yet is <i>archiving</i> versus <i>backups</i>; we come to a semantical argument here that “industry best practices” can’t resolve.</p>
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