Hatch Act/Presidential Records Act–Addington and Gillespie and Fielding’s Response–*g* to the 64th power—”You want it friggin when?”

Ordinary citizen or company destrying emails the US Attorney wants in a run of the mill case =TOAST. But not the Bushies.

There is a loan commerical where executives are shooting the tiny people asking for loans around like paper wads.

Every time something like this comes up, probably about once a month, Addington, Cheney, Fielding, Gillespie and sometimes Lil Bushie gather and all but the Born Again teetotaler swig some of the favorite booze laughing at all the fretting over little things like destroying email and tape backups.

Fortunately, I got hold of Marcy’s book today, so I’ll have the opportunity to get a nice fresh look at the Fitz investigation that stopped so short–possibly largely because the White House Lawyers and DOJ obstructed justice by destroying emails–because of the US Attorney scandle, and because of the Plame leak and a gamut of other issues, and I suspect a big part of why Fitz did not indict Cheney and Rove was that he couldn’t get the emails that they of course either deleted, or just won’t give him (same with the tape backups). It’s not exactly the situation where they get a warrant to search some bimbo’s (Deomcatic Congressman–same thing) house and freezer with $96,000 in it.

Just to clarify, “secure” in this case (eg: https) means SSL or TLS (eg: encryption and “signing” protocols) layer on an HTTP server. WH email clients (outlook, apparently) can be set up so SSL/TLS is seamless (requires no intervention by use) . I have no idea if SSL is WH protocol, but would make sense AFAIC.

However, IMO https line you reference doesn’t necessarily mean returned email (Martin’s) was “secure”, only that the access to server being queried was. There’s no header info for that email, so no way to tell if it was SSL/TLS encoded. I’m aware that some email/Exchange implentations now use https, however I’ve written and seen a lot of it and usually it goes through standard email protocols (SMTP), customized raw TCP/IP… could be through VPN, STUNNEL etc.

My wording was perhaps adding to the confusion, but what I “meant” was that whoever was doing this querying, had to logon to do it wrt to this “https” query.

My take is that this is a web-based application running on the White House’s Intranet (not Internet) that is only available on the EOP network and that it requires one to “logon” in order to do the query. It may also need the “logon” because it is accessing “secure” content.

This is instead of this query which apparently can be accessed, again via a web-based application running on the EOP network, by anyone on that network. No “logon” to the web-based query application is required for this query, hence the normal “http” URL. I would guess that using this EOP network-based web application, one can only access stuff that is deemed “unclassified”.

In response to Mary @ 47
Just to be pedantic…
That joins pigs and snakes on the list of things not likely to fly
From flyingsnake.org
Flying snakes are a small group of species of tree snakes that live in South and Southeast Asia.

Ha! I’ll bet they’re from Thailand!

Bob in HI

That was certainly a well-documented Clusterfuck!

So, basically, the Saga of Mail2 was but one sorry episode of several that resulted in, as I read the timeline, a net five out of the eight years of the Clinton/Gore Administration, OVP had serious Tape Back-Up issues. In the case of Mail2, the “case-senitivity” and “names starting with D” problems were bad enough, but the real damage got done through a penny-pinched Tape-cycling process that, effectively, ‘disappeared’ archival data no more than two years after its creation, and in some cases, much sooner.

These are Records subject to the PRA!

And, going by the Gallant deposition, Clinton and Gore weren’t really interested in ‘fixing’ the problem, much less ‘righting the wrong’ by restoring the Mail2 e-mails to ARMS – which it appears was never actually accomplished.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/n….._email.php

Get the whole story from the GAO.

I suggest the following addition to the timeline:

April 2001 – GAO report on problems with ARMS and emails from the VP’s office in the Clinton Administration.

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Waxman to hold hearings on executive compensation resulting from big shitpile merger consolidation.

As part of its ongoing investigation into executive pay, the Oversight Committee asked Countrywide Financial, Citigroup, and Merrill Lynch to provide documents relevant to the compensation of Angelo R. Mozilo, Charles Prince and E. Stanley O’Neal. In addition, the Committee invited the chairs of the compensation committees at these companies to testify on February 7 about how the compensation and severance packages for these executives were determined and on what basis they were approved.

Yeah, I think it was just as well that the Cowboys’ season ended when it did — the stress was clearly too much for them ; )

jd – I’m guessing that’s a recovery directory: Short for Over-Written Automated Records Management (owarm) file directory.

The deposition in my 52 alludes to the Northrup Grumman Contractors having a ‘reconstruction’ process for Mail2.

owarm is what I would have named my Target directory as output for my script to recover the data with over-written headers, but that’s only a guess by me.