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		<title>By: manys</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/16/the-white-house-response-on-backup-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-45527</link>
		<dc:creator>manys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 23:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;I begin to think this is just a lot of hoopla designed to keep the less fervent troops interested.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Since you don’t criticize anything except that which you already oppose, there’s no reason to think that “beginning to think” carries any credibility to speak of.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I begin to think this is just a lot of hoopla designed to keep the less fervent troops interested.</i></p>
<p>Since you don’t criticize anything except that which you already oppose, there’s no reason to think that “beginning to think” carries any credibility to speak of.</p>
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		<title>By: JodiDog</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/16/the-white-house-response-on-backup-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-45422</link>
		<dc:creator>JodiDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I begin to think this is just a lot of &lt;strong&gt;hoopla&lt;/strong&gt; designed to keep the less fervent troops interested.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;“Show me the Emails!”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I begin to think this is just a lot of <strong>hoopla</strong> designed to keep the less fervent troops interested.</p>
<p><strong><em>“Show me the Emails!”</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You’re being redundant and pointless.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are already plenty of clues that indicate the emails are there — emails don’t die — and that the administration is simply not providing the emails.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you can’t grok that part, maybe you need to sit this out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You’re being redundant and pointless.</p>
<p>There are already plenty of clues that indicate the emails are there — emails don’t die — and that the administration is simply not providing the emails.</p>
<p>If you can’t grok that part, maybe you need to sit this out.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/16/the-white-house-response-on-backup-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-45388</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Questions about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.outlookpower.com/issues/issue200709/00002060001.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WhiteHouse Email Scandal by &lt;strong&gt;OutlookPower Magazine&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Questions about <a href="http://www.outlookpower.com/issues/issue200709/00002060001.html" rel="nofollow">WhiteHouse Email Scandal by <strong>OutlookPower Magazine</strong></a></p>
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		<title>By: pseudonymousinnc</title>
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		<dc:creator>pseudonymousinnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Congress needs to put teeth in the PRA; certain violations should be felonies.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s hard to work out. The buck stops with the President. Even the Hatch Act is toothless, as Cookies Doan proved. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Archivist needs to be empowered, that’s for sure, with ongoing oversight powers. But I honestly think that the PRA is unenforceable against someone wanting to bury the archives unless it either a) is stipulated as an impeachable offense; b) allows an ex-president to be charged. And even b) can be negated by plenary pardon power.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Congress needs to put teeth in the PRA; certain violations should be felonies.</p>
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<p>That’s hard to work out. The buck stops with the President. Even the Hatch Act is toothless, as Cookies Doan proved. </p>
<p>The Archivist needs to be empowered, that’s for sure, with ongoing oversight powers. But I honestly think that the PRA is unenforceable against someone wanting to bury the archives unless it either a) is stipulated as an impeachable offense; b) allows an ex-president to be charged. And even b) can be negated by plenary pardon power.</p>
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		<title>By: pseudonymousinnc</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/16/the-white-house-response-on-backup-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-45294</link>
		<dc:creator>pseudonymousinnc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;‘Industry best practices,’ indeed. Someone chez Atrios said that he kept tape backups for ten years in the Mississippi school system. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Backup tape is cheap. The Presidential Records Act is clear. An ‘industry’ that ‘recycles’ its backup tapes is one working in the field of ass-coverage. If a Fortune 500 co. said this to investigators, people would be heading to jail.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Industry best practices,’ indeed. Someone chez Atrios said that he kept tape backups for ten years in the Mississippi school system. </p>
<p>Backup tape is cheap. The Presidential Records Act is clear. An ‘industry’ that ‘recycles’ its backup tapes is one working in the field of ass-coverage. If a Fortune 500 co. said this to investigators, people would be heading to jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/16/the-white-house-response-on-backup-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-45293</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Story hits the AP…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Another private group suing the White House in the e-mail controversy sees the White House’s conduct as odd. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘‘They changed their practice in 2003 to start saving the backups, but four-and-a-half years later they still have not yet figured out whether or what e-mails were deleted,’’ commented Meredith Fuchs, general counsel of the National Security Archive. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘‘What has the White House been doing for two years?’’ asked Tom Blanton, director of the National Security Archive. ‘‘Two years after the special prosecutor publicly identified the problem, the White House still doesn’t seem to have a clue.’’ On the recycling issue, Fratto, the White House spokesman, said that despite the practice, some tapes should contain e-mails from before October 2003. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘‘Of course the disaster recovery backup tapes were, at one time, recycled,’’ said Fratto. ‘‘However, since October 2003, the Office of Administration has retained and preserved its disaster recovery tapes. The disaster recovery system is set up to regularly back up everything on the network for the Executive Office of the President.’’ &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/745047,white011608.article&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CIA leak e-mail possibly erased&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
January 16, 2008 FROM AP
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Story hits the AP…</p>
<blockquote><p>Another private group suing the White House in the e-mail controversy sees the White House’s conduct as odd. </p>
<p>‘‘They changed their practice in 2003 to start saving the backups, but four-and-a-half years later they still have not yet figured out whether or what e-mails were deleted,’’ commented Meredith Fuchs, general counsel of the National Security Archive. </p>
<p>‘‘What has the White House been doing for two years?’’ asked Tom Blanton, director of the National Security Archive. ‘‘Two years after the special prosecutor publicly identified the problem, the White House still doesn’t seem to have a clue.’’ On the recycling issue, Fratto, the White House spokesman, said that despite the practice, some tapes should contain e-mails from before October 2003. </p>
<p>‘‘Of course the disaster recovery backup tapes were, at one time, recycled,’’ said Fratto. ‘‘However, since October 2003, the Office of Administration has retained and preserved its disaster recovery tapes. The disaster recovery system is set up to regularly back up everything on the network for the Executive Office of the President.’’ </p>
<p><a href="http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/745047,white011608.article" rel="nofollow">CIA leak e-mail possibly erased</a><br />
January 16, 2008 FROM AP
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/16/the-white-house-response-on-backup-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-45274</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Troll, do you try to be ignorant, or does it simply come naturally?  Whatever your bag is, peddle it somewhere else.  I was one of the few who voted to keep you; but I’m done.  Go away and don’t come back.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Troll, do you try to be ignorant, or does it simply come naturally?  Whatever your bag is, peddle it somewhere else.  I was one of the few who voted to keep you; but I’m done.  Go away and don’t come back.</p>
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		<title>By: JodiDog</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/16/the-white-house-response-on-backup-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-45268</link>
		<dc:creator>JodiDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All sorts of theories and confidences have been advanced by people, claiming to know this or that part of program and computer technology, asserting that the emails are still available.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I maintain simply that no one has yet presented them after all this time, and thus it is becomes safer and safer to simply say that they no longer are available.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Like the &lt;em&gt;movie.  “Show me the money.”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Rayne, show me the emails!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All sorts of theories and confidences have been advanced by people, claiming to know this or that part of program and computer technology, asserting that the emails are still available.</p>
<p>I maintain simply that no one has yet presented them after all this time, and thus it is becomes safer and safer to simply say that they no longer are available.</p>
<p>Like the <em>movie.  “Show me the money.”</em></p>
<p><strong>Rayne, show me the emails!</strong></p>
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		<title>By: JodiDog</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/01/16/the-white-house-response-on-backup-tapes/comment-page-2/#comment-45263</link>
		<dc:creator>JodiDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Actually I am just stating the obvious.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, at least it should be obvious by now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I am just stating the obvious.</p>
<p>Well, at least it should be obvious by now.</p>
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