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		<title>By: JodiDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>JodiDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 07:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, my grand mom said they washed out the mouths of the bad little boys who used such language with “lye soap.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;phred&lt;/strong&gt;,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know what the treatment was for the girls.  Grand mom said it never happened to any girls she knew.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally the &lt;strong&gt;fear of God and my Mom&lt;/strong&gt; was enough to keep me straight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well until Middle School anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;: )&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my grand mom said they washed out the mouths of the bad little boys who used such language with “lye soap.”</p>
<p><strong>phred</strong>,</p>
<p>I don’t know what the treatment was for the girls.  Grand mom said it never happened to any girls she knew.</p>
<p>Personally the <strong>fear of God and my Mom</strong> was enough to keep me straight.</p>
<p>Well until Middle School anyway.</p>
<p><strong>: )</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry, been tied up, couldn’t get back here to respond.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Re: mobilize — we’re talking about labor resources brought to bear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Re: psychos — reporter in question specializes in the entire lot of them; new one on me that is mobilizing is the “&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gothard&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gothardites&lt;/a&gt;“.  (WTF? I expect you’ll be able to identify this group when they show up at the polls since they will consist of women dressed very conservatively and doing only what their patriarch tells them…)  anyhow, we have information that says even these obscure groups are mobilizing to vote for the Huckster.  The Prince of B-W is Catholic, if memory serves; don’t know if they’re going to be mobilized like the Protestant fundies will surely be.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, been tied up, couldn’t get back here to respond.</p>
<p>Re: mobilize — we’re talking about labor resources brought to bear.</p>
<p>Re: psychos — reporter in question specializes in the entire lot of them; new one on me that is mobilizing is the “<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gothard" rel="nofollow">Gothardites</a>“.  (WTF? I expect you’ll be able to identify this group when they show up at the polls since they will consist of women dressed very conservatively and doing only what their patriarch tells them…)  anyhow, we have information that says even these obscure groups are mobilizing to vote for the Huckster.  The Prince of B-W is Catholic, if memory serves; don’t know if they’re going to be mobilized like the Protestant fundies will surely be.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh, that doesn’t bode well for Mitt then.  Barry’s nephew, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Goldwater&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Don Goldwater&lt;/a&gt;, took a run at the Arizona Governorship last election (2006).  He couldn’t even make it out of the GOP primary against a Rove Young Republican acolyte by the name of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Munsil&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Len Munsil, &lt;/a&gt; Munsil went on to get waxed by 30 points by Democrat Janet Napolitano in the general.  Shortly before Barry died, a bunch of rabid “Reagan Conservatives” (of which Munsil was one I think) tried to have Goldwater’s name stripped off of the state GOP Headquarters Building because Barry, not long before he died, met with Bill and Hillary Clinton instead of Bob Dole when all were in town for a 1996 debate or something.  Barry was a different guy during his later years and kind of had a sweet spot for Clinton (really liked Hillary too).  Actually, he was always a different guy if you knew him, he just didn’t give a damn about showing it as he was older and out of politics.  The modern Goopers here have about zero in common with Goldwater and his name really doesn’t have that much cache with them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, that doesn’t bode well for Mitt then.  Barry’s nephew, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Goldwater" rel="nofollow">Don Goldwater</a>, took a run at the Arizona Governorship last election (2006).  He couldn’t even make it out of the GOP primary against a Rove Young Republican acolyte by the name of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Len_Munsil" rel="nofollow">Len Munsil, </a> Munsil went on to get waxed by 30 points by Democrat Janet Napolitano in the general.  Shortly before Barry died, a bunch of rabid “Reagan Conservatives” (of which Munsil was one I think) tried to have Goldwater’s name stripped off of the state GOP Headquarters Building because Barry, not long before he died, met with Bill and Hillary Clinton instead of Bob Dole when all were in town for a 1996 debate or something.  Barry was a different guy during his later years and kind of had a sweet spot for Clinton (really liked Hillary too).  Actually, he was always a different guy if you knew him, he just didn’t give a damn about showing it as he was older and out of politics.  The modern Goopers here have about zero in common with Goldwater and his name really doesn’t have that much cache with them.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, do you think a Goldwater offspring would have an advantage in AZ?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The party has gotten way more wingnut since Daddy Romney, but then his son has followed the party. That said, as with Goldwater, the name Romney decorates a number of important buildings in the state.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, do you think a Goldwater offspring would have an advantage in AZ?</p>
<p>The party has gotten way more wingnut since Daddy Romney, but then his son has followed the party. That said, as with Goldwater, the name Romney decorates a number of important buildings in the state.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Other than the name on some buildings, how prominent is the Romney clan in Michigan these days? Or the Pratts too I guess?  Does the Romney name really have much juice there anymore?  I am surprised none of the high minded Goopers have swift boated the Mittster over his parents being Mexican immigrants.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other than the name on some buildings, how prominent is the Romney clan in Michigan these days? Or the Pratts too I guess?  Does the Romney name really have much juice there anymore?  I am surprised none of the high minded Goopers have swift boated the Mittster over his parents being Mexican immigrants.</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
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		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You keep me honest.&lt;br /&gt;
Why does Tweety and KO talk so much about the election and forget&lt;br /&gt;
about the DOJ, destruction of the tapes and Bush’s high crimes.&lt;br /&gt;
Has Bush become irrelevant, and do I have to wait until next November&lt;br /&gt;
before our nightmare ends.&lt;br /&gt;
At least we’ve got the trash talking for sanity…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You keep me honest.<br />
Why does Tweety and KO talk so much about the election and forget<br />
about the DOJ, destruction of the tapes and Bush’s high crimes.<br />
Has Bush become irrelevant, and do I have to wait until next November<br />
before our nightmare ends.<br />
At least we’ve got the trash talking for sanity…</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why would you bring that up, Jodi?  Is one of the candidates using profanity?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would you bring that up, Jodi?  Is one of the candidates using profanity?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Eh, pay no attention to me; I have a fair amount of prior experience with “why they all pickin on my client” spiel. Heh, occasionally it is even valid….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eh, pay no attention to me; I have a fair amount of prior experience with “why they all pickin on my client” spiel. Heh, occasionally it is even valid….</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, Paul won’t WIN the MI primary. There are four viable candidates (Hillary, Mitt, McCAin, and Huck), plus a lot of Obama or Edwards supporters who don’t want Hillary to get a gimme. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But he might collect a good bunch of votes. Perhaps it will teach MI not to run primaries unless they mean it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Paul won’t WIN the MI primary. There are four viable candidates (Hillary, Mitt, McCAin, and Huck), plus a lot of Obama or Edwards supporters who don’t want Hillary to get a gimme. </p>
<p>But he might collect a good bunch of votes. Perhaps it will teach MI not to run primaries unless they mean it.</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
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		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good counterpunches.&lt;br /&gt;
Make take on Clemens.&lt;br /&gt;
His wife Debbie is wicked pissed… and Clemens is behaving&lt;br /&gt;
badly.&lt;br /&gt;
“I got another [expletive] question the other day about the Hall of Fame,” Clemens said, nostrils flaring, as he prepared to bolt. “You think I played my career because I’m worried about the damn Hall of Fame? I could give a rat’s ass about that also. If you have a vote . . . you keep your vote. I don’t need the Hall of Fame to justify that I put my butt on the line and I worked my tail off. And I defy anybody to say I did it by cheating or taking any shortcuts.”&lt;br /&gt;
Ballplayers live for the Hall…&lt;br /&gt;
Roger has gone off the deep end cuz he DID it…&lt;br /&gt;
But again, I’m prejudiced because I think he is an arrogant, no good&lt;br /&gt;
Yadda, Yadda… and did you see his rant on Vioxx…&lt;br /&gt;
The guy is demented….&lt;br /&gt;
Makes for an interesting Shakespearian tragedy though…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good counterpunches.<br />
Make take on Clemens.<br />
His wife Debbie is wicked pissed… and Clemens is behaving<br />
badly.<br />
“I got another [expletive] question the other day about the Hall of Fame,” Clemens said, nostrils flaring, as he prepared to bolt. “You think I played my career because I’m worried about the damn Hall of Fame? I could give a rat’s ass about that also. If you have a vote . . . you keep your vote. I don’t need the Hall of Fame to justify that I put my butt on the line and I worked my tail off. And I defy anybody to say I did it by cheating or taking any shortcuts.”<br />
Ballplayers live for the Hall…<br />
Roger has gone off the deep end cuz he DID it…<br />
But again, I’m prejudiced because I think he is an arrogant, no good<br />
Yadda, Yadda… and did you see his rant on Vioxx…<br />
The guy is demented….<br />
Makes for an interesting Shakespearian tragedy though…</p>
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