Comments on: Boston’s Chief Judge: OPR Isn’t Doing Its Job

By: sona

sona — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 14:51:34 +0000

Do us a favour – we only just got rid of Howard and sent him off to a well deserved ignominious oblivion from politics – stay away from our shores – we would not welcome your sort although we would be polite but don’t bet on it.

By: JodiDog

JodiDog — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 08:06:18 +0000

Glad to meet you sona.

Australia is one of my favorite places.

Look. You seem to have bought into this story completely, and that is fine, but I haven’t. If you think that only people that have should be on this site, then suggest to emptywheel that only people on a “vetted” list be allowed to participate, to even browse.

I don’t think that you will get very far, because emptywheel understands the need for different opinions. It is how we hone our arguments and intellect.

And I know that they pretty much think the same in Australia, so take a deep breath before you continue.

By: Hmmm

Hmmm — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 18:54:26 +0000

OT - Further to the Edmonds subthread - The President of Turkey was in the US and met with Bush yesterday, two days after the Sunday Times Online piece ran. Bush endorsed Turkey joining the EU, a hot topic in the UK and other European incumbent states. Fortuitous timing, eh wot?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/m.....8;buid=866

By: klynn

klynn — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:43:44 +0000

I’ve stated this before over at the Lake…All of these sources need to come together in a weekly format for our own kind of Sunday “talk”. It seems many of us make visits to many of the same sites to glean truth.

By: sona

sona — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 12:55:37 +0000

Perjury and obstruction of justice are crimes not mere indiscretions.

Getting carried away by rhetoric? Speak for yourself. Some of us shape our rhetoric with reason. Plame’s covert identity could not have been picked up from ‘a multitude of places’. It is not a hyperbole when the Federal Prosecutor characterises it as a cloud hanging over the second highest Federally elected official. It is also treason to leak classified information re covert status of personnel engaged in national security affairs. Treason is far more serious a crime than just indiscretion of leaking to reporters.

I do not know about your sense of national pride but as as an Australian I would say it stinks. There are many issues that I fight for here in Australia but we don’t suffer the curse of your type of kneejerk and brainless inanities. We don’t tolerate the the barabarity of capital punishment. I know you do in the USA. Traitors used to be hanged or beheaded once upon a time in far away land where I grew up , if not hanged, drawn and quartered, in that order. Scooter Libby has not paid his due, a pardon is not a hefty price.

I have tried to reason with you in simple language. You are not receptive to reason. Why do you hang around this blog? You obviously cannot fathom the arguments being advanced. Do you not have anything in your life to engage in? I suggest you seek help for your own sake and quit this blog for your own good.

By: NMvoiceofreason

NMvoiceofreason — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:54:57 +0000

The idea of the “fruit of the poisonous tree” is that there must be NO incentive to use corrupted evidence. A nation of laws must abide by them, and when it does not, punishing bad people just because they deserve it leads down a very slippery slope. It is like saying you can use a choke hold, or taser on a suspect, then claim innocence when a suspect (or even convict) dies. If you believe everyone who is guilty must be punished, find your Dominatrix right now, because we all are guilty of something. Soon we will all be guilty of everything. All that is necessary for the forces of evil to triumph in the world is for enough good men to say it is alright with them and do nothing to stop it.

By: watercarrier4diogenes

watercarrier4diogenes — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:46:39 +0000

Agreed, reading TPM and TPMMuck, along with watching clips on C&L (beats watching the shows themselves, especially Faux) were my intro to the blogosphere (h/t to my son for the URLs). I’ve only recently started following Scott Horton, but Glennzilla “can do no wrong” from what I’ve seen. In today’s column, he has a link to Time’s Swampland post by Michael Scherer. Read the first 10 or so comments under it. I’d have to say the MSM is getting it handed to them pretty regularly now that there’s a place to do so. They can refuse to read those comments, true, but they know they’re there and are being read by people they once thought were taking them ‘Seriously’.

By: PetePierce

PetePierce — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 04:44:38 +0000

Hard to examine much of anything bmaz, because as you know your FBI and your court system has sealed much of it, calling it secret.

Perhaps the fact that very little can be examined to sink our teeth into promotes the hyperventilation context.

By: watercarrier4diogenes

watercarrier4diogenes — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:14:35 +0000

tell ‘em what you’re gonna say, say it, and tell ‘em what you said

ahhh, the nostalgic rush… That’s the first thing said by any instructor in an Army ‘how to teach da troops’ course. Being that it was the Army, our goal was more like 30%, though. Hopefully, enough to keep them alive long enough to learn from their experiences.

By: earlofhuntingdon

earlofhuntingdon — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 02:23:35 +0000

I would add that with longer comments, multiple links to common sites and previously discussed issues often happen. Comments are sometimes repetitive, including mine, but there’s often some new wrinkle added that no one’s discussed before or that bears repeating. As my old high school speech & drama coach kept drilling into us, tell ‘em what you’re gonna say, say it, and tell ‘em what you said. If you’re lucky, two-thirds of it might sink in.

Now that the Twelfth Day of Christmas/Yule is behind us, let’s get back to work.