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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/23/immunity/comment-page-1/#comment-40173</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Correct. What we know is the document ACLU HAD was fairly innocuous, except insofar as it proves they didn’t regulate military photography of detainees until after Abu Ghraib. But it seems the govt believed they got a bunch of documents, and that may be why they went all Pentagon Papers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here are &lt;a href=&quot;http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/12/the_pentagon_to.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/12/bushco_plays_ch.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posts&lt;/a&gt; on the flap.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct. What we know is the document ACLU HAD was fairly innocuous, except insofar as it proves they didn’t regulate military photography of detainees until after Abu Ghraib. But it seems the govt believed they got a bunch of documents, and that may be why they went all Pentagon Papers.</p>
<p>Here are <a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/12/the_pentagon_to.html" rel="nofollow">some</a> <a href="http://thenexthurrah.typepad.com/the_next_hurrah/2006/12/bushco_plays_ch.html" rel="nofollow">posts</a> on the flap.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueStateRedHead</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/23/immunity/comment-page-1/#comment-40143</link>
		<dc:creator>BlueStateRedHead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 22:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Count on you to fine something we all missed. With all this head-spinning stuff, so it is good  to see something come down the pike that is comprehensible to the average citizen…&lt;br /&gt;
For a second I thought I had received a festivius present. Now I realize that&lt;br /&gt;
it will be chalked up to “at pleasure of the president.”&lt;br /&gt;
In any case, happy holiday of your choosing to you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Count on you to fine something we all missed. With all this head-spinning stuff, so it is good  to see something come down the pike that is comprehensible to the average citizen…<br />
For a second I thought I had received a festivius present. Now I realize that<br />
it will be chalked up to “at pleasure of the president.”<br />
In any case, happy holiday of your choosing to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/23/immunity/comment-page-1/#comment-40118</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;a witch hunt&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Luckily, there’s a DOJ opinion, and an Attorney General in office, who believe that it is humane treatment to affix a suspect to a stool, tie them down, and submerge them in water, repeatedly, until they tell “the” truth (i.e., what the questioner wants to hear).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So I fail to see why Mr. Bennett is so concerned. ? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Besides, in the parsing we’ve all come to know and love and satanic torture rituals aside, isn’t a warlock hunt a very different thing from witch hunt?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>a witch hunt</i></p>
<p>Luckily, there’s a DOJ opinion, and an Attorney General in office, who believe that it is humane treatment to affix a suspect to a stool, tie them down, and submerge them in water, repeatedly, until they tell “the” truth (i.e., what the questioner wants to hear).</p>
<p>So I fail to see why Mr. Bennett is so concerned. ? </p>
<p>Besides, in the parsing we’ve all come to know and love and satanic torture rituals aside, isn’t a warlock hunt a very different thing from witch hunt?</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/23/immunity/comment-page-1/#comment-40115</link>
		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How ironic, All those Republican Presidential Candidates are on Tape boasting about “doubling the size of Gitmo.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are witnessing the End of the Republican Party…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How ironic, All those Republican Presidential Candidates are on Tape boasting about “doubling the size of Gitmo.”</p>
<p>You are witnessing the End of the Republican Party…</p>
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		<title>By: nolo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/23/immunity/comment-page-1/#comment-40103</link>
		<dc:creator>nolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 15:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;good timing points, bmaz –&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i have only a feeble excuse, on the&lt;br /&gt;
whole timing thing — as i wrote a similar&lt;br /&gt;
statutory run-down on the timing of goodling’s&lt;br /&gt;
immunity deal before congress — um. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;too much reindeer milk!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but seriously, what if the immunity IS granted&lt;br /&gt;
by mid-february? [and i do think jeralyn is right.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;now — as EW reminds, the documents the&lt;br /&gt;
ACLU may have seen are, i think, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://indictdickcheney.blogspot.com/2007/12/breaking-security-cleared-court-filings.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;same&lt;br /&gt;
ones david remes refers to in his averrments,&lt;br /&gt;
before judge kennedy, in Abdah’s habeas case&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;more torture videos &lt;b&gt;still exist&lt;/b&gt;.  they are&lt;br /&gt;
likely at gitmo; as are photos of torture, as&lt;br /&gt;
are audio tapes of interrogations of all sorts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what will it take to force these into the light?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i dunno.  but that’s where i’d most like this&lt;br /&gt;
to end up — as part of the evidence naming&lt;br /&gt;
cheney as “elected official A” in a mulit-count&lt;br /&gt;
indictment driven by pleas/immunity from rodriquez,&lt;br /&gt;
addington, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but as you say, i am ever a dreamer, bmaz.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’ll just go back to sipping my reindeer milk, now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p e a c e,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and happy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;s o l s t i c e!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good timing points, bmaz –</p>
<p>i have only a feeble excuse, on the<br />
whole timing thing — as i wrote a similar<br />
statutory run-down on the timing of goodling’s<br />
immunity deal before congress — um. . .</p>
<p>too much reindeer milk!</p>
<p>but seriously, what if the immunity IS granted<br />
by mid-february? [and i do think jeralyn is right.]</p>
<p>now — as EW reminds, the documents the<br />
ACLU may have seen are, i think, the <a href="http://indictdickcheney.blogspot.com/2007/12/breaking-security-cleared-court-filings.html" rel="nofollow">same<br />
ones david remes refers to in his averrments,<br />
before judge kennedy, in Abdah’s habeas case</a>.</p>
<p>more torture videos <b>still exist</b>.  they are<br />
likely at gitmo; as are photos of torture, as<br />
are audio tapes of interrogations of all sorts.</p>
<p>what will it take to force these into the light?</p>
<p>i dunno.  but that’s where i’d most like this<br />
to end up — as part of the evidence naming<br />
cheney as “elected official A” in a mulit-count<br />
indictment driven by pleas/immunity from rodriquez,<br />
addington, etc.</p>
<p>but as you say, i am ever a dreamer, bmaz.</p>
<p>i’ll just go back to sipping my reindeer milk, now.</p>
<p>p e a c e,</p>
<p>and happy</p>
<p>s o l s t i c e!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/23/immunity/comment-page-1/#comment-40097</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:27:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Got it.  So it’s not like ACLU &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; have such a document, it’s just that the government was anxious the ACLU had &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; and it remains unclear what it might have been, a torture tape document being one possibility.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got it.  So it’s not like ACLU <i>does</i> have such a document, it’s just that the government was anxious the ACLU had <i>something</i> and it remains unclear what it might have been, a torture tape document being one possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/23/immunity/comment-page-1/#comment-40096</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s not clear the document came from the govt–I have been under the impression the ACLU got it from a whistleblower, intentionally. One of the questions they asked in the negotiations over the document was whether ACLU got any other documents. I’ve asked ACLU, and they have no way of knowing whether the govt might have been asking about a torture tape document.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s not clear the document came from the govt–I have been under the impression the ACLU got it from a whistleblower, intentionally. One of the questions they asked in the negotiations over the document was whether ACLU got any other documents. I’ve asked ACLU, and they have no way of knowing whether the govt might have been asking about a torture tape document.</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/23/immunity/comment-page-1/#comment-40095</link>
		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does anyone know when the full Senate will vote on Leahy’s contempt&lt;br /&gt;
citation to force Rove &amp; Meirs, et.al to testify?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know when the full Senate will vote on Leahy’s contempt<br />
citation to force Rove &amp; Meirs, et.al to testify?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/23/immunity/comment-page-1/#comment-40094</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Jeebus, Jeff, don’t you read timelines?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What can I say - I’m a bad reader and I’ve got a bad memory.  I recalled the Dana Priest thing looming large, and the question of the Brinkema order, but not the McCain-Cheney debate.  And I &lt;i&gt;noted&lt;/i&gt; that I didn’t &lt;i&gt;recall&lt;/i&gt; seeing it!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you referring to the government’s request/demand that the ACLU give back documents that the government had apparently given to ACLU through error?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Jeebus, Jeff, don’t you read timelines?</i></p>
<p>What can I say &#8211; I’m a bad reader and I’ve got a bad memory.  I recalled the Dana Priest thing looming large, and the question of the Brinkema order, but not the McCain-Cheney debate.  And I <i>noted</i> that I didn’t <i>recall</i> seeing it!</p>
<p>Are you referring to the government’s request/demand that the ACLU give back documents that the government had apparently given to ACLU through error?</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/23/immunity/comment-page-1/#comment-40093</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;sorry - must have missed or forgotten it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;warning: incoming lame excuse…. i guess i just haven’t been following that scandal very closely.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry &#8211; must have missed or forgotten it.</p>
<p>warning: incoming lame excuse…. i guess i just haven’t been following that scandal very closely.</p>
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