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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/competence-versus-populism/#comment-38835</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David Frum believes lawless corporatism is the most preferable  alternative. The alternative for which he reserves the most distain is the “gimmicky” socialism.  I guess that would be a dig would be against his native Canada and all the US presidential candidates who are offering health care plans for the uninsured.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Frum hates being called a neocon.  Watch this &lt;a href=&quot;http://brainwaveweb.com/diavlogs/410?&amp;in=00:53:18&amp;out=00:54:25&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;1 minute video &lt;/a&gt;of Frum and Heather Hurlburt, both former presidential speechwriters. NB: Heather’s reaction to Frum’s allegory about being called a neocon. If anyone can figure out what Frum is trying to say, please tell me.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heather says she enjoys debating Frum because he does not engage in ad hominem and out-shouting his counterpart.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Frum believes lawless corporatism is the most preferable  alternative. The alternative for which he reserves the most distain is the “gimmicky” socialism.  I guess that would be a dig would be against his native Canada and all the US presidential candidates who are offering health care plans for the uninsured.  </p>
<p>Frum hates being called a neocon.  Watch this <a href="http://brainwaveweb.com/diavlogs/410?&amp;in=00:53:18&amp;out=00:54:25" rel="nofollow">1 minute video </a>of Frum and Heather Hurlburt, both former presidential speechwriters. NB: Heather’s reaction to Frum’s allegory about being called a neocon. If anyone can figure out what Frum is trying to say, please tell me.   </p>
<p>Heather says she enjoys debating Frum because he does not engage in ad hominem and out-shouting his counterpart.</p>
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		<title>By: freepatriot</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/competence-versus-populism/#comment-38790</link>
		<dc:creator>freepatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;loyalty equals competence in repuglitard reality&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;lack of loyalty equals incompetence&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what else do you need to know&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;beside the fact that Cartesian Science has these guys in the cross hairs as we speak&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>loyalty equals competence in repuglitard reality</p>
<p>lack of loyalty equals incompetence</p>
<p>what else do you need to know</p>
<p>beside the fact that Cartesian Science has these guys in the cross hairs as we speak</p>
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		<title>By: FrankProbst</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/competence-versus-populism/#comment-38783</link>
		<dc:creator>FrankProbst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 17:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To me, one of the best things about the Republican primary is that, no matter who wins, there are going to be a lot of sore losers with even sorer supporters.  They’re going to alienate an awful lot of their voters just by having their primary.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, one of the best things about the Republican primary is that, no matter who wins, there are going to be a lot of sore losers with even sorer supporters.  They’re going to alienate an awful lot of their voters just by having their primary.</p>
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		<title>By: skdadl</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/competence-versus-populism/#comment-38774</link>
		<dc:creator>skdadl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;It’s always important to respect the values and principles of the voters. But politicians who want to deliver effective government and positive results have to care about more than values — and have to do more than check their guts. They need to study the problem, master the evidence, and face criticism.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Frum’s on-the-one-hand is “the values and the principles of the voters,” which he implies (overgeneralizing vastly) are “populist,” whatever he means by that. His on-the-other is the direct address of current “problems,” which needs to be left to experts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s something missing from that geography of politics, and it would be commitment to democratic principle and structure — y’know, the Constitution? Neither voters nor experts ever care about that? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Frum is a glib superficiality, and I would apologize as a Canadian for sending him to you, except we’d just as soon you not send him back.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It’s always important to respect the values and principles of the voters. But politicians who want to deliver effective government and positive results have to care about more than values — and have to do more than check their guts. They need to study the problem, master the evidence, and face criticism.</em></p>
<p>Frum’s on-the-one-hand is “the values and the principles of the voters,” which he implies (overgeneralizing vastly) are “populist,” whatever he means by that. His on-the-other is the direct address of current “problems,” which needs to be left to experts.</p>
<p>There’s something missing from that geography of politics, and it would be commitment to democratic principle and structure — y’know, the Constitution? Neither voters nor experts ever care about that? </p>
<p>Frum is a glib superficiality, and I would apologize as a Canadian for sending him to you, except we’d just as soon you not send him back.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/competence-versus-populism/#comment-38773</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More of David Frums hollow wisdom.  Here is a comment from Mr. “Axis of Evil” about Common Cause and “anti americans”&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum031903.asp.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum031903.asp.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; “Common cause: The websites of the antiwar conservatives approvingly cite and link to the writings of John Pilger, Robert Fisk, Noam Chomsky, Ted Rall, Gore Vidal, Alexander Cockburn, and other anti-Americans of the far Left.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of David Frums hollow wisdom.  Here is a comment from Mr. “Axis of Evil” about Common Cause and “anti americans”<br />
<a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum031903.asp." rel="nofollow">http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum031903.asp.</a></p>
<p> “Common cause: The websites of the antiwar conservatives approvingly cite and link to the writings of John Pilger, Robert Fisk, Noam Chomsky, Ted Rall, Gore Vidal, Alexander Cockburn, and other anti-Americans of the far Left.”</p>
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		<title>By: Minnesotachuck</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/competence-versus-populism/#comment-38772</link>
		<dc:creator>Minnesotachuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A quotation from Naomi Klein’s &lt;em&gt;The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism&lt;/em&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;“As political scientist Michael Wolf puts it, ‘Conservatives cannot govern well for the same reason that vegetarians cannot prepare a world-class boeuf bourguingnon:  If you believe that what you are called upon to do is wrong, you are unlikely to do it very well.’”  P 354&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;John Dean made essentially the same point in &lt;em&gt;Broken Government&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quotation from Naomi Klein’s <em>The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism</em>:
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<blockquote><p>“As political scientist Michael Wolf puts it, ‘Conservatives cannot govern well for the same reason that vegetarians cannot prepare a world-class boeuf bourguingnon:  If you believe that what you are called upon to do is wrong, you are unlikely to do it very well.’”  P 354</p></blockquote>
<p>John Dean made essentially the same point in <em>Broken Government</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnForde</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/competence-versus-populism/#comment-38771</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnForde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW, I just had a thought.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It seems  pretty clear to me that the torture tapes were ordered to be destroyed by either Cheney or ‘Waterboarding George’ as a matter of self protection. I’ve really got to believe that  those copies were digital and copies still exist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also read that Bush SIGNED documents ordering specific instances of waterboarding. Those two items: the video and the document in combination are so vivid and so criminal that they would almost certainly send Cheney and ‘Waterbarding George’ to prison.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t you think behind the scenes there are some noble CIA folks, one with the document and one with the video, frantically trying to find each other?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW, I just had a thought.</p>
<p>It seems  pretty clear to me that the torture tapes were ordered to be destroyed by either Cheney or ‘Waterboarding George’ as a matter of self protection. I’ve really got to believe that  those copies were digital and copies still exist.</p>
<p>I also read that Bush SIGNED documents ordering specific instances of waterboarding. Those two items: the video and the document in combination are so vivid and so criminal that they would almost certainly send Cheney and ‘Waterbarding George’ to prison.</p>
<p>Don’t you think behind the scenes there are some noble CIA folks, one with the document and one with the video, frantically trying to find each other?</p>
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		<title>By: Downpuppy</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/competence-versus-populism/#comment-38770</link>
		<dc:creator>Downpuppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 15:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; politicians who want to deliver effective government and positive results&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After 30 years of Conservatives pretending there’s no such thing as effective government, who the hell does Frum think he’s writing about?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> politicians who want to deliver effective government and positive results</p>
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<p>After 30 years of Conservatives pretending there’s no such thing as effective government, who the hell does Frum think he’s writing about?</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/competence-versus-populism/#comment-38769</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please do not be too hard on the Bushie economic plan; Dick Cheney still has one more year of his “due” to collect on.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do not be too hard on the Bushie economic plan; Dick Cheney still has one more year of his “due” to collect on.</p>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/17/competence-versus-populism/#comment-38767</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 14:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The hypocrisy just does not stop.  David “axis of evil” Frum telling others&lt;br /&gt;
Here’s the lesson to learn: It’s always important to respect the values and principles of the voters. But politicians who want to deliver effective government and positive results have to care about more than values — and have to do more than check their guts. They need to study the problem, master the evidence, and face criticism.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is just too much to take.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;David Frum profile&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1155&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1155&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was able to get through a question to David Frum when he was on Washington Journal as a guest several years ago.  I asked him “since you were so supportive of the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq and sending young American soldiers to this unnecessary war will you be encouraging your own children( I believe he has two teenagers) to join the military so that they can serve in the war that you helped start”.  David Frum’s answer was a fumble filled with hypocrisy which runs in Frums veins.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When you google David Frum on you tube here is what came up.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6dQWCbQ6VU&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hypocrisy just does not stop.  David “axis of evil” Frum telling others<br />
Here’s the lesson to learn: It’s always important to respect the values and principles of the voters. But politicians who want to deliver effective government and positive results have to care about more than values — and have to do more than check their guts. They need to study the problem, master the evidence, and face criticism.”</p>
<p>Is just too much to take.</p>
<p>David Frum profile<br />
<a href="http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1155" rel="nofollow">http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1155</a></p>
<p>I was able to get through a question to David Frum when he was on Washington Journal as a guest several years ago.  I asked him “since you were so supportive of the pre-emptive invasion of Iraq and sending young American soldiers to this unnecessary war will you be encouraging your own children( I believe he has two teenagers) to join the military so that they can serve in the war that you helped start”.  David Frum’s answer was a fumble filled with hypocrisy which runs in Frums veins.</p>
<p>When you google David Frum on you tube here is what came up.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6dQWCbQ6VU&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v&#8230;..re=related</a></p>
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