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		<title>By: sojourner</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/16/did-nacchio-lie-or-just-misunderstand/comment-page-1/#comment-38695</link>
		<dc:creator>sojourner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, and the thought that the higher-ups don’t know the actual workings at times is scary. Where I work, there is a major disconnect at times between what is promised and what we can actually deliver.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and the thought that the higher-ups don’t know the actual workings at times is scary. Where I work, there is a major disconnect at times between what is promised and what we can actually deliver.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I believe nolo has laid out the landscape pretty well; so I won’t go over that.  I will chip in my opinion that Nacchio and his legal/tech team knew exactly what the government was asking.  The mere fact that the government would make such an asinine claim as “they just didn’t understand us” is just about proof positive they have big problems in relation to their real request.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe nolo has laid out the landscape pretty well; so I won’t go over that.  I will chip in my opinion that Nacchio and his legal/tech team knew exactly what the government was asking.  The mere fact that the government would make such an asinine claim as “they just didn’t understand us” is just about proof positive they have big problems in relation to their real request.</p>
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		<title>By: nolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>nolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;sorry — i didn’t mean for that off-topic&lt;br /&gt;
one to run so long — but i do want to&lt;br /&gt;
add to the substance here. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this past summer, when jeralyn&lt;br /&gt;
merrit at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/7/24/111832/597&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;talkleft.com&lt;/a&gt; was writing on&lt;br /&gt;
the nacchio appeals developments &amp; pro-&lt;br /&gt;
cess, i was regularly chilled by how&lt;br /&gt;
much the teleco industry had to &lt;strong&gt;GAIN&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
by selling all of us out — by handing&lt;br /&gt;
over our contitutional right to privacy.&lt;br /&gt;
this is a right every innocent citizen&lt;br /&gt;
once enjoyed — privacy in our electronic&lt;br /&gt;
papers, virtual-travels and communiques. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if they play paddy-cake with the govt.,&lt;br /&gt;
they garner literally billions of high-&lt;br /&gt;
margin revenue.  and perhaps, just perhaps,&lt;br /&gt;
we never find out.  forget nacchio — he’s&lt;br /&gt;
likely deserving of jail time for his trades,&lt;br /&gt;
but remember the lesson:  this administration&lt;br /&gt;
punishes those who question it — and this&lt;br /&gt;
administration rewards those who play along.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;think here of blackwater, first kuwaiti, KBR — and,&lt;br /&gt;
the mother of all “&lt;em&gt;players-along&lt;/em&gt;” — halliburton. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i need to go lie down now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this really, really saddens me.&lt;br /&gt;
we are sold out by our own infra-&lt;br /&gt;
structure constructors. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p e a c e&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry — i didn’t mean for that off-topic<br />
one to run so long — but i do want to<br />
add to the substance here. . .</p>
<p>this past summer, when jeralyn<br />
merrit at <a href="http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/7/24/111832/597" rel="nofollow">talkleft.com</a> was writing on<br />
the nacchio appeals developments &amp; pro-<br />
cess, i was regularly chilled by how<br />
much the teleco industry had to <strong>GAIN</strong><br />
by selling all of us out — by handing<br />
over our contitutional right to privacy.<br />
this is a right every innocent citizen<br />
once enjoyed — privacy in our electronic<br />
papers, virtual-travels and communiques. . .</p>
<p>if they play paddy-cake with the govt.,<br />
they garner literally billions of high-<br />
margin revenue.  and perhaps, just perhaps,<br />
we never find out.  forget nacchio — he’s<br />
likely deserving of jail time for his trades,<br />
but remember the lesson:  this administration<br />
punishes those who question it — and this<br />
administration rewards those who play along.</p>
<p>think here of blackwater, first kuwaiti, KBR — and,<br />
the mother of all “<em>players-along</em>” — halliburton. </p>
<p>i need to go lie down now.</p>
<p>this really, really saddens me.<br />
we are sold out by our own infra-<br />
structure constructors. . .</p>
<p>p e a c e</p>
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		<title>By: nolo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/16/did-nacchio-lie-or-just-misunderstand/comment-page-1/#comment-38563</link>
		<dc:creator>nolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;“. . .tell me how Nacchio’s “retaliation” argument can ever really undermine the Government’s basic case on Naccio’s cleaning out the company’s till?”&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;good question, maddog –&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my answer may well go astray of the&lt;br /&gt;
topic for this thread, so if you&lt;br /&gt;
don’t care about the merits of&lt;br /&gt;
the case, bail out now.  just&lt;br /&gt;
scroll on by. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;still here?  okay:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this case, in the tenth circuit, will&lt;br /&gt;
likely clarify a fair amount of the&lt;br /&gt;
insider-trading jurisprudence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[n.b.: by repeating these claims, i do&lt;br /&gt;
not mean to suggest that i buy them.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;nacchio claims he was the first person&lt;br /&gt;
ever convicted of being wrong about his&lt;br /&gt;
own company’s “&lt;em&gt;soft information&lt;/em&gt;” — his&lt;br /&gt;
company’s predictions about future growth.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;his claim amounts to this: my predictions&lt;br /&gt;
were “reasonable when made” (and those are&lt;br /&gt;
magic words in the SEC’s rules), because i&lt;br /&gt;
truly reasonably believed that my company,&lt;br /&gt;
qwest, would win a very large govt. contract.&lt;br /&gt;
qwest’s predictions — he says — assumed that&lt;br /&gt;
the govt. would not “&lt;em&gt;punish him&lt;/em&gt;” for honoring, and&lt;br /&gt;
obeying, the constitutional law (as developed&lt;br /&gt;
in &lt;em&gt;the AT&amp;T cases &lt;/em&gt;of the 1970s). . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that is — he asked that the govt. show&lt;br /&gt;
probable cause, or get a warrant, to have&lt;br /&gt;
access to all the data he was being asked&lt;br /&gt;
help drive — actually build a superhighway&lt;br /&gt;
to — but the govt. &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;not only declined &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;that&lt;br /&gt;
request (he sez); they “punished” him for&lt;br /&gt;
having the simple temerity to ask.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and, how did the govt. do this? it cancelled&lt;br /&gt;
some very large contracts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;remember, however, at least based on all&lt;br /&gt;
that i’ve read on this case, nacchio actually&lt;br /&gt;
liquidated some of his investment in qwest&lt;br /&gt;
at some pretty high prices, &lt;strong&gt;after&lt;/strong&gt; he knew&lt;br /&gt;
that — for whatever reason — the govt.&lt;br /&gt;
would &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; come through with the contract(s).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and he did not disclose the change in&lt;br /&gt;
the admittedly “soft” information — to&lt;br /&gt;
the investing public — before he sold.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;then qwest shares tanked, it missed&lt;br /&gt;
wall street’s and its internal expectations,&lt;br /&gt;
and mr. nacchio ended up being indicted&lt;br /&gt;
for among other things, insider trading.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[a funny side note: while at my office one&lt;br /&gt;
day, during negotiations with the SEC to&lt;br /&gt;
get a large public offering declared effective&lt;br /&gt;
for a client, i received — in error — and by&lt;br /&gt;
overnight courier, no less, &lt;strong&gt;SIX&lt;/strong&gt; large containers of&lt;br /&gt;
nachhio’s banker’s documents from the sec’y&lt;br /&gt;
of one of the lawyers representing nacchio&lt;br /&gt;
at the SEC — his firm was ALSO representing the&lt;br /&gt;
underwriters on my deal, and their wires got&lt;br /&gt;
crossed — so i got the nacchio documents, and&lt;br /&gt;
the SEC got my final diligence back-up materials.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;anyway, i read NONE of it, re-sealed it all,&lt;br /&gt;
and sent it back to the law-firm — from there,&lt;br /&gt;
i assume the firm sent it on to the SEC.  odd.]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so — is it “odd” that the govt. now wants&lt;br /&gt;
prison time for “soft” information gone bad?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or is nacchio trying to avoid the natural con-&lt;br /&gt;
sequences of preferring himself over the rest&lt;br /&gt;
of the public shareholders? you can decide.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;or the tenth circuit will.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>“. . .tell me how Nacchio’s “retaliation” argument can ever really undermine the Government’s basic case on Naccio’s cleaning out the company’s till?”</em></p>
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<p>good question, maddog –</p>
<p>my answer may well go astray of the<br />
topic for this thread, so if you<br />
don’t care about the merits of<br />
the case, bail out now.  just<br />
scroll on by. . .</p>
<p>still here?  okay:</p>
<p>this case, in the tenth circuit, will<br />
likely clarify a fair amount of the<br />
insider-trading jurisprudence.</p>
<p>[n.b.: by repeating these claims, i do<br />
not mean to suggest that i buy them.]</p>
<p>nacchio claims he was the first person<br />
ever convicted of being wrong about his<br />
own company’s “<em>soft information</em>” — his<br />
company’s predictions about future growth.</p>
<p>his claim amounts to this: my predictions<br />
were “reasonable when made” (and those are<br />
magic words in the SEC’s rules), because i<br />
truly reasonably believed that my company,<br />
qwest, would win a very large govt. contract.<br />
qwest’s predictions — he says — assumed that<br />
the govt. would not “<em>punish him</em>” for honoring, and<br />
obeying, the constitutional law (as developed<br />
in <em>the AT&amp;T cases </em>of the 1970s). . .</p>
<p>that is — he asked that the govt. show<br />
probable cause, or get a warrant, to have<br />
access to all the data he was being asked<br />
help drive — actually build a superhighway<br />
to — but the govt. <strong><em>not only declined </em></strong>that<br />
request (he sez); they “punished” him for<br />
having the simple temerity to ask.</p>
<p>and, how did the govt. do this? it cancelled<br />
some very large contracts.</p>
<p>remember, however, at least based on all<br />
that i’ve read on this case, nacchio actually<br />
liquidated some of his investment in qwest<br />
at some pretty high prices, <strong>after</strong> he knew<br />
that — for whatever reason — the govt.<br />
would <strong>not</strong> come through with the contract(s).</p>
<p>and he did not disclose the change in<br />
the admittedly “soft” information — to<br />
the investing public — before he sold.</p>
<p>then qwest shares tanked, it missed<br />
wall street’s and its internal expectations,<br />
and mr. nacchio ended up being indicted<br />
for among other things, insider trading.</p>
<p>[a funny side note: while at my office one<br />
day, during negotiations with the SEC to<br />
get a large public offering declared effective<br />
for a client, i received — in error — and by<br />
overnight courier, no less, <strong>SIX</strong> large containers of<br />
nachhio’s banker’s documents from the sec’y<br />
of one of the lawyers representing nacchio<br />
at the SEC — his firm was ALSO representing the<br />
underwriters on my deal, and their wires got<br />
crossed — so i got the nacchio documents, and<br />
the SEC got my final diligence back-up materials.</p>
<p>anyway, i read NONE of it, re-sealed it all,<br />
and sent it back to the law-firm — from there,<br />
i assume the firm sent it on to the SEC.  odd.]</p>
<p>so — is it “odd” that the govt. now wants<br />
prison time for “soft” information gone bad?</p>
<p>or is nacchio trying to avoid the natural con-<br />
sequences of preferring himself over the rest<br />
of the public shareholders? you can decide.</p>
<p>or the tenth circuit will.</p>
<p>p e a c e</p>
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		<title>By: MadDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MadDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Even if Nacchio gets to bring up his argument, he’ll have a hard time &lt;i&gt;proving&lt;/i&gt; that there was a quid pro quo.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And for our legal eagles here, tell me how Nacchio’s “retaliation” argument can ever really undermine the Government’s basic case on Naccio’s cleaning out the company’s till?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if Nacchio gets to bring up his argument, he’ll have a hard time <i>proving</i> that there was a quid pro quo.</p>
<p>And for our legal eagles here, tell me how Nacchio’s “retaliation” argument can ever really undermine the Government’s basic case on Naccio’s cleaning out the company’s till?</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;emptywheel, I’m wondering where the rest of corporate America is, especially Silicon valley. The telecoms (and their suppliers) are the new “railroads.” They could &lt;strike&gt;engage in mutual blackmail&lt;/strike&gt; leverage their cozy relationship with the NSA and the Federal government to outflank Google, Oracle, MS, and whomever else they please.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>emptywheel, I’m wondering where the rest of corporate America is, especially Silicon valley. The telecoms (and their suppliers) are the new “railroads.” They could <strike>engage in mutual blackmail</strike> leverage their cozy relationship with the NSA and the Federal government to outflank Google, Oracle, MS, and whomever else they please.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
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		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;soujourner&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Two thoughts about talks with CEOs. I think they content of them is actually not as substantive as it is with the tech guys. After all, the techguys need to prepare for Big Brother to open an office in your building. Whereas the talks with the CEOs probably pertains to the rationale for the whole thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That said, Nacchio was moved to be chair of the telecom advisory group. So I gotta believe they expected him to know a few things about the technical and policy side of things. That was my first thought when they said he misunderstood. If that’s the guy in charge (however briefly) of your telecom advisory group, what’s that say about the group?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>soujourner</p>
<p>Two thoughts about talks with CEOs. I think they content of them is actually not as substantive as it is with the tech guys. After all, the techguys need to prepare for Big Brother to open an office in your building. Whereas the talks with the CEOs probably pertains to the rationale for the whole thing.</p>
<p>That said, Nacchio was moved to be chair of the telecom advisory group. So I gotta believe they expected him to know a few things about the technical and policy side of things. That was my first thought when they said he misunderstood. If that’s the guy in charge (however briefly) of your telecom advisory group, what’s that say about the group?</p>
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		<title>By: sojourner</title>
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		<dc:creator>sojourner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Something that I have to wonder: Instead of AT&amp;T arising out of its anti-trust ashes, could we have seen a Qwest behemoth in its place (if Nacchio had not “misunderstood”? Meaning — did the government reward the company that provided the “best” services so that the government would only have to worry about dealing with one company instead of multiple companies?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One would also think (or at least hope!) that when “requests” get to the level we are talking about that there is fairly substantive discussion — and particularly enough that there would be no misunderstanding between the parties. The government would have to be fairly direct about what it wanted, or else Mr. Nacchio did not misunderstand anything.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something that I have to wonder: Instead of AT&amp;T arising out of its anti-trust ashes, could we have seen a Qwest behemoth in its place (if Nacchio had not “misunderstood”? Meaning — did the government reward the company that provided the “best” services so that the government would only have to worry about dealing with one company instead of multiple companies?</p>
<p>One would also think (or at least hope!) that when “requests” get to the level we are talking about that there is fairly substantive discussion — and particularly enough that there would be no misunderstanding between the parties. The government would have to be fairly direct about what it wanted, or else Mr. Nacchio did not misunderstand anything.</p>
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