Also the more publicity these programs get, the more security experts will work to deter them.

The FBI itself has wasted approximately 200 million dollars on two programs it didn’t get off the ground. But with the alliance between government and large corporations that exists now since Rule of Law has been abandoned by the executive, legislative, and to an increasing degrees the Judicial branch who are largely a bunch of unimaginative lazy, woosie sheep, I suspect this program was created by outside consultants for FBI.

And if Clint and Obama were leaders, they’d be right back on the Senate floor tomorrow leading the charge against Reid and the totally lawless Republicans and Dems who are supporting them.

I’m surprised too that Edwards with his anti-large corporation stance has been mum on this egregious partnership of the Telco corporations and government that is being totally hidden from any scrutiny.

I can’t remember in a long time when such important federal cases faced summary foreclosure by an action of Congress.

I appreciate it very much. I did post there, but I corrected a couple of sentence fragments and posted it here after doing so.

I never have trouble admitting when I don’t understand something, and I have to tell you I am totally baffled about the who procedural sequence of events that unfolded Friday to set up tomorrow which will be on C-Span 2 so I’m going to set my DVR– with Reid and the withdrawal of the cloture motion, and frankly if as I understand it why Reid and the Senators who signed that Cloture motion chose to set such high hurdles other than that the fix is in.

I don’t understand also the portion of Rule 22 in the last paragraph in the link below (after I name a hyperlink on these threads as of 2 days ago my hyperlink gets distorted, and I’m trying to figure out why so I can only paste the link:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/ind…..Filibuster

Prolonging a filibuster after successful cloture vote

While sixty votes is enough to bring a measure to the floor, a determined minority of senators can still delay a vote for about two weeks. Once a motion to invoke cloture passes, a group can still filibuster the bill itself, requiring an additional cloture motion. At that point, the Senate has another thirty hours to consider the bill again. Rule XXII limits the use of this tactic, however, for a vote must occur on either the 11th day of consideration or the 15th day after a motion to proceed was made.[38][39]

If you haven’t read Glenn Greenwald’s article from this morning, please do–it’s excellent:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

I would love to see Greenwald as Senator from NY-and on SJC-and he has plenty of con law experience.

Looks like you were right about Green Bay this afternoon.

I do not understand why essentially nearly all Democrats are now voting for whatever Bush, Cheney, Addington and Ed Gillespie dictate, and I’ve never seen that explained well.

16 Short Questions I Believe Should Be Read on the Senate Floor Tomorrow:

I strongly recommend that Senator Dodd read Glenn Greenwald’s terrific article from this morning, and the and the link is here–as of a couple days ago, when I make links they turn into gibberish on FDL and quote it on the Senate floor tomorrow verbatim and completely:

“The Lawless Surveillance State” December 18. 2007
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/

1) Why hasn’t there been subpoenas of Telco Execs and the NDI and AG to inquire what the extent is of the use of the following acronymed wiretapping methods now in use:

CALEA
MAGIC LANTERN
CIPAV

2) Why have their been no subpoenas recently of Telcos to ask them what they were doing or make them plead the 5th. We all know they weren’t doing “nothing to break the law” and they know it which is why amnesty is the huge deal it is.

3) The wiretapping means in all their varietiesz have never been explored by any oversight Committee–why is that?

4) The partnership between Congress and Corporations that’s pushing Telco Immunity is one of the most corrupt partnerships in the history of this country and Congress and the media have not touched it. The blogs have. Why is this?

5) Not one senator actually has found out what’s being hidden. Precisesly what did the Telcos do? What did the government do? How many ways are we being wiretapped and how much of our personal info is being matrixed and used to harm us, not to mention that the government agencies are famous for losing CDs and DVDs with hundreds of thousands of lists of personal data from citizens.

6) The Congress has never looked into the story of why Nachio was really prosecuted after he that Quest would to wiretap like the rest of the Telcos.

7) Why hasn’t any oversight committee subpoenaed the Telcos and gotten a roadmap to what Glenn Greewald has called

“The cooperation between the various military/intelligence branches of the Federal Government — particularly the Pentagon and the NSA — and the private telecommunications corporations is extraordinary and endless…The Federal Government has its hands dug deeply into the entire ostensibly “private” telecommunications infrastructure and, in return, the nation’s telecoms are recipients of enormous amounts of revenues by virtue of turning themselves into branches of the Federal Government.
There simply is no separation between these corporations and the military and intelligence agencies of the Federal Government. They meet and plan and agree so frequently, and at such high levels, that they practically form a consortium.

In fact, the House and the Senate doesn’t have a clue what these means of cooperation are. These represent an illegal merger of Private Telco Corporations and the Federal government.

Why hasn’t Congress looked into the rapidly lightening coopting of AG Mike Mukasey who is parooting every line from Bush, Cheney, and Addington:

9) Why don’t any Democrats in Congress have the sense to say not providing Telco amnesty we’ll help to keep the Telcos from breaking the law in the future and that’s what the American people want.

10) Has it occurred to you it’s gotten hard to tell what if anything the Deomocats are doing in Congress besides supporting the Republican lawless gutting of the 4th amendment and our privacy rights.

11) Why is it that

Despite issuing prior statements claiming they would support Dodd’s filibuster, none of the other presidential candidates in the Senate — Clinton, Obama or Biden — have indicated that they will do so tomorrow. As the Kos has said, they have far and away “the biggest megaphon” and instead of all the insipidly irrelevant details on the road with them, it’d be consrtructive and healthy that they go to Washington for major support of Senator Dodd and his fillibuster efforst but they certainly have no intention of doing this and could seem to care less that the Telcos and the US Governments have partnered to foreclose on the privacy of Americans so systemically.

12) Why besides from Senator Dodd has their been nno real substantive leadersip on opposing Telco Immunity from the current crop of Democratic Presidential Candidates and the controls by the AG and NDI of wiretapping in S. 2248 whatsoever?

13) Why hasn’t congress dug into pressure by the government on Google and other search engines to de-ananomyze search information?

14) Why isn’t the NSA Director Hadley subpoenaed to ask if NSA put a backdoor in new encryption standards they are heavily involved in called “Dual_EC_DRBG”?

15) Why have the Democrats in Congress allowed Bush to dictate to him precisely as if he is King George III??? Bush has threatened to hold Congress in session until they pass whatever bill he wants. This has been his tact now througout the 110th Congress, and they have sat still and taken it like passive children.

16) Finally why can’t this Rule 22 tactic be brought into play tomorrow?

While sixty votes is enough to bring a measure to the floor, a determined minority of senators can still delay a vote for about two weeks. Once a motion to invoke cloture passes, a group can still filibuster the bill itself, requiring an additional cloture motion. At that point, the Senate has another thirty hours to consider the bill again. Rule XXII limits the use of this tactic, however, for a vote must occur on either the 11th day of consideration or the 15th day after a motion to proceed was made.

↑ Garry Gamber, “What Is The Filibuster All About? Got Links, December 9, 2005.
↑ “Filibuster and Cloture in the Senate,” U.S. Senate.

Since I use a router primarily as a hardware firewall, I expect that no intrusion into my computer is possible without my permission, that is, if I decline to connect to a specific IP address, that entity would not be able to access the things like internal IP address Mac, and ports, existing open or closed.

If I ping my system from the outside I find that the return doesn’t even acknowledge any port, let alone if it is open or closed.

Of course, this CIPAV system would obviously have to be able to access any computer and OS, Mac, PC MS OS, Linux, Unix etc, and Mac is supposed to be bullet proof from the outside, which is why I would expect certain organizations to use Macs over every other system off the shelf.

So, I see a lot of unanswered questions about the toplogy of such spyware. My A/V provider once found a hacking tool installed in a retail Compaq/HP computer I was setting up for a client. Really pissed me off, and when I confronted the Tech help, first they denied it, then said it was harmless. Harmless indeed!

A simple answer might be simply establish a bogus website, one that would be impossible to resist. But there has to be more.

Greed without social conscience wails: “We have to protect the shareholders.”
Self deception can be very profitable financially for the top 1%.