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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/oversight-versus-politics/#comment-38726</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some were hopeful about Mukasey, but not Leahy, Kennedy, Kerry and so many more who voted against him.  Schumer and Feinstein demonstrated what side of the issues they stand on.  Not the peoples, not justice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is dissapointing&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some were hopeful about Mukasey, but not Leahy, Kennedy, Kerry and so many more who voted against him.  Schumer and Feinstein demonstrated what side of the issues they stand on.  Not the peoples, not justice.</p>
<p>This is dissapointing</p>
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		<title>By: nolo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/oversight-versus-politics/#comment-38311</link>
		<dc:creator>nolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;. . .Are you nuts or what (heh heh said with respect and affection)? Rodriquez, at this point anyway, is the one with the most body parts in the wringer. He has lawyered up big time; Bob Bennett no less. Now, I don’t know what Bob will do; but if Rodriquez were my client, &lt;strong&gt;he wouldn’t be doing any interviews, under oath or otherwise, without every ounce of immunity&lt;/strong&gt; I could humanly accumulate for him and even then, only after direct order of a court and interlocutory appeal therefrom. . .&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hey bmaz — again, i’ve emphasized the part&lt;br /&gt;
of yours, where i think our views depart&lt;br /&gt;
from one another.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i think he’ll sing — under oath, and&lt;br /&gt;
with immunity — and soon.  as you point&lt;br /&gt;
out, he has, essentially, life in prison to lose.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i knew of bennett’s retention — but let’s remember&lt;br /&gt;
that what everyone says rodriquez did, constituted&lt;br /&gt;
multiple felonies.  i guess you think he wouldn’t be&lt;br /&gt;
immediately indicted, were he to decide not to&lt;br /&gt;
cooperate. mukasey strikes me as the kind who&lt;br /&gt;
will act quickly and decively to have him wearing&lt;br /&gt;
orange, especially if he doesn’t roll-over.  there&lt;br /&gt;
is more than enough sworn testimony to win a life-&lt;br /&gt;
sentence conviction against him, right now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so i think bennett will have to&lt;br /&gt;
deal — a smallish plea, perhaps&lt;br /&gt;
failure to preserve records, for immunity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yep — you are right:&lt;br /&gt;
bennett will get him immunity,&lt;br /&gt;
but then he’ll sing.&lt;br /&gt;
loud and long, and&lt;br /&gt;
indeed quickly, i suspect.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;again, we’ll see.&lt;br /&gt;
so we’re clear, i meant no disrespect.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p e a c e&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>. . .Are you nuts or what (heh heh said with respect and affection)? Rodriquez, at this point anyway, is the one with the most body parts in the wringer. He has lawyered up big time; Bob Bennett no less. Now, I don’t know what Bob will do; but if Rodriquez were my client, <strong>he wouldn’t be doing any interviews, under oath or otherwise, without every ounce of immunity</strong> I could humanly accumulate for him and even then, only after direct order of a court and interlocutory appeal therefrom. . .</i></p>
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<p>hey bmaz — again, i’ve emphasized the part<br />
of yours, where i think our views depart<br />
from one another.</p>
<p>i think he’ll sing — under oath, and<br />
with immunity — and soon.  as you point<br />
out, he has, essentially, life in prison to lose.</p>
<p>i knew of bennett’s retention — but let’s remember<br />
that what everyone says rodriquez did, constituted<br />
multiple felonies.  i guess you think he wouldn’t be<br />
immediately indicted, were he to decide not to<br />
cooperate. mukasey strikes me as the kind who<br />
will act quickly and decively to have him wearing<br />
orange, especially if he doesn’t roll-over.  there<br />
is more than enough sworn testimony to win a life-<br />
sentence conviction against him, right now.</p>
<p>so i think bennett will have to<br />
deal — a smallish plea, perhaps<br />
failure to preserve records, for immunity.</p>
<p>yep — you are right:<br />
bennett will get him immunity,<br />
but then he’ll sing.<br />
loud and long, and<br />
indeed quickly, i suspect.</p>
<p>again, we’ll see.<br />
so we’re clear, i meant no disrespect.</p>
<p>p e a c e</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/oversight-versus-politics/#comment-38290</link>
		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;nolo - What interview under oath of Jose Rodriquez?  Are you nuts or what (heh heh said with respect and affection)?  Rodriquez, at this point anyway, is the one with the most body parts in the wringer.  He has&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsweek.com/id/77959&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; lawyered up big time; Bob Bennett no less&lt;/a&gt;.  Now, I don’t know what Bob will do; but if Rodriquez were my client, he wouldn’t be doing any interviews, under oath or otherwise, without every ounce of immunity I could humanly accumulate for him and even then, only after direct order of a court and interlocutory appeal therefrom.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nolo &#8211; What interview under oath of Jose Rodriquez?  Are you nuts or what (heh heh said with respect and affection)?  Rodriquez, at this point anyway, is the one with the most body parts in the wringer.  He has<a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/77959" rel="nofollow"> lawyered up big time; Bob Bennett no less</a>.  Now, I don’t know what Bob will do; but if Rodriquez were my client, he wouldn’t be doing any interviews, under oath or otherwise, without every ounce of immunity I could humanly accumulate for him and even then, only after direct order of a court and interlocutory appeal therefrom.</p>
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		<title>By: RodUnderleaf</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/oversight-versus-politics/#comment-38271</link>
		<dc:creator>RodUnderleaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Emptywheel. Mukaseys involvement with Guiliani, Silverstein, and other principals who had dealings in the events of 9/11, is the key to the answers we seek. But you are not allowed to unlock the door. The details are facinating in themselves but where they lead is problematic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emptywheel. Mukaseys involvement with Guiliani, Silverstein, and other principals who had dealings in the events of 9/11, is the key to the answers we seek. But you are not allowed to unlock the door. The details are facinating in themselves but where they lead is problematic.</p>
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		<title>By: nolo</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/oversight-versus-politics/#comment-38242</link>
		<dc:creator>nolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i hope not, but i think&lt;br /&gt;
it is possible. but i do&lt;br /&gt;
think — strictly speaking — there&lt;br /&gt;
will not be a lot of time-con-&lt;br /&gt;
suming digging that need be done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;an interview, under oath, of rodriquez;&lt;br /&gt;
follow-up wih anyone he says gave him an&lt;br /&gt;
okay to destroy the tapes — then, interviews&lt;br /&gt;
of the DoJ lawyers who signed the pleadings&lt;br /&gt;
in the terror cases — i think that will yield&lt;br /&gt;
the bulk of the evidence still remaining. &lt;em&gt;all the&lt;br /&gt;
rest has likely been shredded&lt;/em&gt;.  perhaps a focued&lt;br /&gt;
search of all the back-up drives at the CIA for&lt;br /&gt;
duplicate electronic copies of the tapes will&lt;br /&gt;
yield the tapes themselves.  it has been reported&lt;br /&gt;
that the torture videos were sent IN ELECTRONIC FORM&lt;br /&gt;
to the CIA here, from remote locations — gitmo and/or&lt;br /&gt;
various secret locations.  that would be a coup. and&lt;br /&gt;
those back-ups aren’t easily destroyed — not as simple&lt;br /&gt;
as burning and smashing a video cassette.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;now — i forgot to mention, in my WAG, above, that&lt;br /&gt;
i think richard bruce cheney gave a “&lt;em&gt;ghosted approval&lt;/em&gt;“&lt;br /&gt;
of all this tape stuff — in much the same fashion&lt;br /&gt;
as the “&lt;em&gt;wink and nod approval&lt;/em&gt;” cheney gave scooter&lt;br /&gt;
libby, when scoots outed valerie plame’s covert identity.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we’ll see in time. . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but it will take time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;p e a c e&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hope not, but i think<br />
it is possible. but i do<br />
think — strictly speaking — there<br />
will not be a lot of time-con-<br />
suming digging that need be done.</p>
<p>an interview, under oath, of rodriquez;<br />
follow-up wih anyone he says gave him an<br />
okay to destroy the tapes — then, interviews<br />
of the DoJ lawyers who signed the pleadings<br />
in the terror cases — i think that will yield<br />
the bulk of the evidence still remaining. <em>all the<br />
rest has likely been shredded</em>.  perhaps a focued<br />
search of all the back-up drives at the CIA for<br />
duplicate electronic copies of the tapes will<br />
yield the tapes themselves.  it has been reported<br />
that the torture videos were sent IN ELECTRONIC FORM<br />
to the CIA here, from remote locations — gitmo and/or<br />
various secret locations.  that would be a coup. and<br />
those back-ups aren’t easily destroyed — not as simple<br />
as burning and smashing a video cassette.</p>
<p>now — i forgot to mention, in my WAG, above, that<br />
i think richard bruce cheney gave a “<em>ghosted approval</em>“<br />
of all this tape stuff — in much the same fashion<br />
as the “<em>wink and nod approval</em>” cheney gave scooter<br />
libby, when scoots outed valerie plame’s covert identity.</p>
<p>we’ll see in time. . .</p>
<p>but it will take time.</p>
<p>p e a c e</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/oversight-versus-politics/#comment-38241</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Again, thanks for the link.  We already know that we do not have an independent legislative branch of government.  I think we are about to find out whether we still have an independent judiciary…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, thanks for the link.  We already know that we do not have an independent legislative branch of government.  I think we are about to find out whether we still have an independent judiciary…</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Parrish</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/oversight-versus-politics/#comment-38240</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Parrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;wavepac @ 5:53 am -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What is the “secret” for this group? To answer your question, some conjectures come to mind: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is fear the secret (or only one of several secrets) for this group? If so, what is it that this group is so afraid of? Are most, if not all, of the group’s members insecure people whose primary source of security comes from belonging to a political party? Please look at Fareed Zakaria’s comments in this recent Newsweek column:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;The Fearful Superpower&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.newsweek.com/id/77068&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wavepac @ 5:53 am -</p>
<p>What is the “secret” for this group? To answer your question, some conjectures come to mind: </p>
<p>Is fear the secret (or only one of several secrets) for this group? If so, what is it that this group is so afraid of? Are most, if not all, of the group’s members insecure people whose primary source of security comes from belonging to a political party? Please look at Fareed Zakaria’s comments in this recent Newsweek column:</p>
<p><a href="The Fearful Superpower" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/id/77068</a></p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/oversight-versus-politics/#comment-38239</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s another bit from the Savage article I like&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;One of Haynes’ allies on the Bush administration legal team, former Justice Department lawyer John Yoo, recently coauthored a law review article sharply critical of the JAGs’ unwillingness to endorse the legality of the administration’s treatment of wartime detainees.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No conflict of interest there at all Johnny boy…  Can’t imagine why he would be unhappy that the JAGs called bullshit on his opinions…  Wouldn’t have anything to do with violations of the Geneva Conventions being war crimes, would it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s another bit from the Savage article I like</p>
<blockquote><p>One of Haynes’ allies on the Bush administration legal team, former Justice Department lawyer John Yoo, recently coauthored a law review article sharply critical of the JAGs’ unwillingness to endorse the legality of the administration’s treatment of wartime detainees.</p>
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<p>No conflict of interest there at all Johnny boy…  Can’t imagine why he would be unhappy that the JAGs called bullshit on his opinions…  Wouldn’t have anything to do with violations of the Geneva Conventions being war crimes, would it?</p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/oversight-versus-politics/#comment-38238</link>
		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bush tells Federal Court to go to hell…&lt;br /&gt;
We are at a Constitutional Crises&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-CIA-Videotapes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin.....tapes.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bush tells Federal Court to go to hell…<br />
We are at a Constitutional Crises</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-CIA-Videotapes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin&#8230;..tapes.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: BayStateLibrul</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/14/oversight-versus-politics/#comment-38237</link>
		<dc:creator>BayStateLibrul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good points, but don’t you think “Time is of the Essence”&lt;br /&gt;
I view Mukasey’s rebuttal as another delay tactic.&lt;br /&gt;
Btw, when will see the OLC report on Gonzo?&lt;br /&gt;
They are running out the clock…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, but don’t you think “Time is of the Essence”<br />
I view Mukasey’s rebuttal as another delay tactic.<br />
Btw, when will see the OLC report on Gonzo?<br />
They are running out the clock…</p>
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