Comments on: When All Executive Orders Turn to Pixie Dust http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/ Fri, 15 Jul 2011 20:48:32 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Martiki http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37344 Martiki Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:00:24 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37344 <p>Whether or not it was intentional (and I’m inclined to agree that it was) they have indeed accomplished the undoing of our country to their advantage. We are left with a shell.</p> Whether or not it was intentional (and I’m inclined to agree that it was) they have indeed accomplished the undoing of our country to their advantage. We are left with a shell.

]]> By: selise http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37307 selise Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:33:22 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37307 <p>thank you.</p> thank you.

]]> By: phred http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37304 phred Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:18:12 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37304 <p>Thanks for trying selise — you are far more eloquent than I : ) </p> <p>By the way, kudos on making the Whitehouse speech so broadly available on-line. I really appreciate all of your efforts (particularly with respect to posting the hearing schedule) to make our government more accessible to the public. Thanks so much!</p> Thanks for trying selise — you are far more eloquent than I : )

By the way, kudos on making the Whitehouse speech so broadly available on-line. I really appreciate all of your efforts (particularly with respect to posting the hearing schedule) to make our government more accessible to the public. Thanks so much!

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37300 Leen Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:52:58 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37300 <p>this will be my last comment about this. Bull! His comment was directed at me about the Larry Johnson links…there was a double standard. For the second time I will drop this I hope you can too. We disagree and that is ok</p> this will be my last comment about this. Bull! His comment was directed at me about the Larry Johnson links…there was a double standard. For the second time I will drop this I hope you can too. We disagree and that is ok

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37297 Leen Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:50:38 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37297 <p>When Bruce Fein started coming out with impeachment suggestions along with other conservatives who jumped from the sinking ship you know the Bush administration has to know they are in deep doo doo.</p> When Bruce Fein started coming out with impeachment suggestions along with other conservatives who jumped from the sinking ship you know the Bush administration has to know they are in deep doo doo.

]]> By: Leen http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37296 Leen Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:47:17 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37296 <p>You have some good points. Folks did start to reference Larry more and that is good.</p> You have some good points. Folks did start to reference Larry more and that is good.

]]> By: phred http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37294 phred Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:32:03 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37294 <p>I suspect the problem might be that in the course of impeachment, Bush/Cheney will be allowed to mount a vigorous defense, which will undoubtedly include evidence of the complicity of Congress (including members of the Dem leadership). Since the Dem leadership believe that their oath of office is subservient to their obligation to ensure electoral victory, they cannot let any damning information come to light that might adversely affect their prospects next November.</p> I suspect the problem might be that in the course of impeachment, Bush/Cheney will be allowed to mount a vigorous defense, which will undoubtedly include evidence of the complicity of Congress (including members of the Dem leadership). Since the Dem leadership believe that their oath of office is subservient to their obligation to ensure electoral victory, they cannot let any damning information come to light that might adversely affect their prospects next November.

]]> By: wavpeac http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37291 wavpeac Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:24:10 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37291 <p>Bruce Fein is a conservative and legal scholar. On the Bill Moyers special on impeachment, he made an eloquent argument that Bush should be impeached because his use of signing statements violates the constitution because they violate the seperation of powers between the three branches of government. He also argues that Cheney should be impeached for 7 different issues. I cannot figure out why, if a conservative scholar on the constutition can make the legal argument, democrats have not done it. </p> <p>As Bruce Fein explained before the Senate Judiciary Committee: </p> <p>“If all other avenues have proved unavailing, Congress should contemplate impeachment for signing statements that systematically flout the separation of powers and legislative prerogatives. The epitome of an impeachable offense, as Alexander Hamilton amplified in the Federalist Papers, is a political crime against the Constitution.” </p> <p>What the hell is in the way???</p> Bruce Fein is a conservative and legal scholar. On the Bill Moyers special on impeachment, he made an eloquent argument that Bush should be impeached because his use of signing statements violates the constitution because they violate the seperation of powers between the three branches of government. He also argues that Cheney should be impeached for 7 different issues. I cannot figure out why, if a conservative scholar on the constutition can make the legal argument, democrats have not done it.

As Bruce Fein explained before the Senate Judiciary Committee:

“If all other avenues have proved unavailing, Congress should contemplate impeachment for signing statements that systematically flout the separation of powers and legislative prerogatives. The epitome of an impeachable offense, as Alexander Hamilton amplified in the Federalist Papers, is a political crime against the Constitution.”

What the hell is in the way???

]]> By: selise http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37287 selise Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:01:07 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37287 <p>imo, there was no double standard.</p> <p>usually people won’t object the first, second or even third time i do something that irks them. that’s why i’m inclined to take all such complaints seriously (doesn’t mean i’ll agree - just that i think they deserve some serious thought).</p> <p>just because someone else has done the same (or similar) thing, it does not mean there is a double standard - it probably means that the commenter’s personal threshold has been crossed, and rather than stay irked a request was made.</p> <p>that’s why i recommend focusing on the content of the request - and asking ourselves: “would honoring the request help everyone enjoy the conversation more?” - no need to take it so personally. when a request like that is made, i take it seriously too - even when it’s not directed to me - because it may have been my earlier comments that helped create the frustration the commenter was finally making known.</p> <p>it’s up to all of us to do our best to comment in ways that others find useful (or at least not objectionable)…. and one of the ways we can do that is to respect and take seriously other commenters requests.</p> imo, there was no double standard.

usually people won’t object the first, second or even third time i do something that irks them. that’s why i’m inclined to take all such complaints seriously (doesn’t mean i’ll agree – just that i think they deserve some serious thought).

just because someone else has done the same (or similar) thing, it does not mean there is a double standard – it probably means that the commenter’s personal threshold has been crossed, and rather than stay irked a request was made.

that’s why i recommend focusing on the content of the request – and asking ourselves: “would honoring the request help everyone enjoy the conversation more?” – no need to take it so personally. when a request like that is made, i take it seriously too – even when it’s not directed to me – because it may have been my earlier comments that helped create the frustration the commenter was finally making known.

it’s up to all of us to do our best to comment in ways that others find useful (or at least not objectionable)…. and one of the ways we can do that is to respect and take seriously other commenters requests.

]]> By: phred http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37286 phred Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:52:51 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/10/whan-all-executive-orders-turn-to-pixie-dust/#comment-37286 <p>I disagree. You took the comment personally, but I took it to be addressed more broadly.</p> I disagree. You took the comment personally, but I took it to be addressed more broadly.

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