Damn, I love me some Sheldon Whitehouse. He, like, actually knows the law. And he, like, is willing to actually read the stuff he is exercising oversight over.
Which is why this speech he gave today is so important (link to speech; here's a link to video). Apparently, Whitehouse actually read the OLC opinions that justified the warrantless wiretap program and continue to justify the Administration's wiretap authority today. Then, Whitehouse got the key concepts of some of those opinions declassified. Here's his description of what he found.
For years under the Bush Administration, the Office of Legal Counsel within the Department of Justice has issued highly classified secret legal opinions related to surveillance. This is an administration that hates answering to an American court, that wants to grade its own papers, and OLC is the inside place the administration goes to get legal support for its spying program.
As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I was given access to those opinions, and spent hours poring over them. Sitting in that secure room, as a lawyer, as a former U.S. Attorney, legal counsel to Rhode Island's Governor, and State Attorney General, I was increasingly dismayed and amazed as I read on.
To give you an example of what I read, I have gotten three legal propositions from these OLC opinions declassified. Here they are, as accurately as my note taking could reproduce them from the classified documents. Listen for yourself. I will read all three, and then discuss each one.
- An executive order cannot limit a President. There is no constitutional requirement for a President to issue a new executive order whenever he wishes to depart from the terms of a previous executive order. Rather than violate an executive order, the President has instead modified or waived it.
- The President, exercising his constitutional authority under Article II, can determine whether an action is a lawful exercise of the President's authority under Article II.
- The Department of Justice is bound by the President's legal determinations. [my emphasis]
I noticed Whitehouse sniffing around the question of Executive Orders before. I thought (okay, hoped, really) that he was sniffing around 13292, which governs classification and declassification, including whether the Vice President can unilaterally declassify the identity of a CIA NOC. But it turns out he was sniffing around EO 12333, which governs Intelligence Activities (and though it's not central to this discussion, here's an amendment Bush made in 2004 to set up DNI).
Here's what--according to Whitehouse, who after all ought to know--Bush believes about whether or not he has to follow EO 12333, an Executive Order signed by Saint Reagan.
Let's start with number one. Bear in mind that the so-called Protect America Act that was stampeded through this great body in August provides no - zero - statutory protections for Americans traveling abroad from government wiretapping. None if you're a businesswoman traveling on business overseas, none if you're a father taking the kids to the Caribbean, none if you're visiting uncles or aunts in Italy or Ireland, none even if you're a soldier in the uniform of the United States posted overseas. The Bush Administration provided in that hastily-passed law no statutory restrictions on their ability to wiretap you at will, to tap your cell phone, your e-mail, whatever.
The only restriction is an executive order called 12333, which limits executive branch surveillance to Americans who the Attorney General determines to be agents of a foreign power. That's what the executive order says.
But what does this administration say about executive orders?
An executive order cannot limit a President. There is no constitutional requirement for a President to issue a new executive order whenever he wishes to depart from the terms of a previous executive order. Rather than violate an executive order, the President has instead modified or waived it.
"Whenever (the President) wishes to depart from the terms of a previous executive order," he may do so because "an executive order cannot limit a President." And he doesn't have to change the executive order, or give notice that he's violating it, because by "depart(ing) from the executive order," the President "has instead modified or waived it."
So unless Congress acts, here is what legally prevents this President from wiretapping Americans traveling abroad at will: nothing. Nothing.
That was among the most egregious flaws in the bill passed during the August stampede they orchestrated by the Bush Administration - and this OLC opinion shows why we need to correct it.
I'll put the rest of the excerpt of Whitehouse's speech below. But for now, I want to discuss this.
Obviously, the implications of this OLC opinion go far beyond the warrantless wiretapping of Americans. While it appears that Whitehouse wasn't primarily interested in EO 13292, presumably the OLC opinion governs all Executive Orders. So in other words, the President can declassify at will (well, he could do that anyway). Or more importantly, he could authorize his Vice President to refuse to tell us about his classification and declassification guidelines (as Dick did to ISOO--I'm betting this opinion is why AGAG refused to rule on the ISOO/Dick dispute), and he can unilaterally declassify anything and leak it to Judy Miller or some other hack journalist.
But here's the other key point (and one of the reasons I like the way Whitehouse works). He specifically asked Michael Mukasey about EOs before Mukasey was approved.
2. Do you believe that the President may act contrary to a valid executive order? In the event he does, need he amend the executive order or provide any notice that he is acting contrary to the executive order?
ANSWER: Executive orders reflect the directives of the President. Should an executive order apply to the President and he determines that the order should be modified, the appropriate course would be for him to issue a new order or to amend the prior order.
So Mukasey, unaware that Bush had set aside all common sense, gave the common sense, legally sound answer. "Of course the President can't violate his own EOs! He would need to change them first!"
And now the AG is on record as thinking this whole state of affairs stinks.
Here's Whitehouse's speech in it's entirety. And here's a link to a copy at his website.
We will shortly consider making right the things that are wrong with the so-called Protect America Act, a second-rate piece of legislation passed in a stampede in August at the behest of the Bush Administration. It is worth for a moment considering why making this right is so important.
President Bush pressed this legislation not only to establish how our government can spy on foreign agents, but how his administration can spy on Americans. Make no mistake, the legislation we passed in August is significantly about spying on Americans - a business this administration should not be allowed to get into except under the closest supervision. We have a plain and tested device for keeping tabs on the government when it's keeping tabs on Americans. It is our Constitution.
Our Constitution has as its most elemental provision the separation of governmental powers into three separate branches. When the government feels it necessary to spy on its own citizens, each branch has a role.
The executive branch executes the laws, and conducts surveillance. The legislative branch sets the boundaries that protect Americans from improper government surveillance. The judicial branch oversees whether the government has followed the Constitution and the laws that protect U.S. citizens from violations of their privacy and their civil rights.
It sounds basic, but even an elementary understanding of this balance of powers eludes the Bush administration. So now we have to repair this flawed and shoddy "Protect America Act."
Why are we in Congress so concerned about this? Why is it so vital that we energetically assert the role of Congress and the Courts when the Bush Administration seeks to spy on Americans?
Because look what the Bush Administration does behind our backs when they think no one is looking.
For years under the Bush Administration, the Office of Legal Counsel within the Department of Justice has issued highly classified secret legal opinions related to surveillance. This is an administration that hates answering to an American court, that wants to grade its own papers, and OLC is the inside place the administration goes to get legal support for its spying program.
As a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I was given access to those opinions, and spent hours poring over them. Sitting in that secure room, as a lawyer, as a former U.S. Attorney, legal counsel to Rhode Island's Governor, and State Attorney General, I was increasingly dismayed and amazed as I read on.
To give you an example of what I read, I have gotten three legal propositions from these OLC opinions declassified. Here they are, as accurately as my note taking could reproduce them from the classified documents. Listen for yourself. I will read all three, and then discuss each one.
- An executive order cannot limit a President. There is no constitutional requirement for a President to issue a new executive order whenever he wishes to depart from the terms of a previous executive order. Rather than violate an executive order, the President has instead modified or waived it.
- The President, exercising his constitutional authority under Article II, can determine whether an action is a lawful exercise of the President's authority under Article II.
- The Department of Justice is bound by the President's legal determinations.
Let's start with number one. Bear in mind that the so-called Protect America Act that was stampeded through this great body in August provides no - zero - statutory protections for Americans traveling abroad from government wiretapping. None if you're a businesswoman traveling on business overseas, none if you're a father taking the kids to the Caribbean, none if you're visiting uncles or aunts in Italy or Ireland, none even if you're a soldier in the uniform of the United States posted overseas. The Bush Administration provided in that hastily-passed law no statutory restrictions on their ability to wiretap you at will, to tap your cell phone, your e-mail, whatever.
The only restriction is an executive order called 12333, which limits executive branch surveillance to Americans who the Attorney General determines to be agents of a foreign power. That's what the executive order says.
But what does this administration say about executive orders?
An executive order cannot limit a President. There is no constitutional requirement for a President to issue a new executive order whenever he wishes to depart from the terms of a previous executive order. Rather than violate an executive order, the President has instead modified or waived it.
"Whenever (the President) wishes to depart from the terms of a previous executive order," he may do so because "an executive order cannot limit a President." And he doesn't have to change the executive order, or give notice that he's violating it, because by "depart(ing) from the executive order," the President "has instead modified or waived it."
So unless Congress acts, here is what legally prevents this President from wiretapping Americans traveling abroad at will: nothing. Nothing.
That was among the most egregious flaws in the bill passed during the August stampede they orchestrated by the Bush Administration - and this OLC opinion shows why we need to correct it.
Here's number two.
The President, exercising his constitutional authority under Article II, can determine whether an action is a lawful exercise of the President's authority under Article II.
Yes, that's right. The President, according to the George W. Bush OLC, has Article II power to determine what the scope of his Article II powers are.
Never mind a little decision called Marbury v. Madison, written by Chief Justice John Marshall in 1803, establishing the proposition that it is "emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is." Does this administration agree that it is emphatically the province and the duty of the judicial department to say what the President's authority is under Article II? No, it is the President, according to this OLC, who decides the legal limits of his own Article II power.
The question "whether an action is a lawful exercise of the President's authority under Article II," is to be determined by the President's minions, "exercising his constitutional authority under Article II."
It really makes you wonder, who are these people? They have got to be smart people to get there. How can people who are so smart be so misguided?
And then, it gets worse. Remember point three.
The Department of Justice is bound by the President's legal determinations.
Let that sink in a minute.
The Department of Justice is bound by the President's legal determinations.
We are a nation of laws, not of men. This nation was founded in rejection of the royalist principles that "l'etat c'est moi" and "The King can do no wrong." Our Attorney General swears an oath to defend the Constitution and the laws of the United States; we are not some banana republic in which the officials all have to kowtow to the "supreme leader." Imagine a general counsel to a major U.S. corporation telling his board of directors, "in this company the counsel's office is bound by the CEO's legal determinations." The board ought to throw that lawyer out - it's malpractice, probably even unethical.
Wherever you are, if you are watching this, do me a favor. The next time you are in Washington, D.C., take a taxi some evening to the Department of Justice. Stand outside, and look up at that building shining against the starry night. Look at the sign outside- "The United States Department of Justice." Think of the heroes who have served there, and the battles fought. Think of the late nights, the brave decisions, the hard work of advancing and protecting our democracy that has been done in those halls. Think about how that all makes you feel.
Then think about this statement:
The Department of Justice is bound by the President's legal determinations.
If you don't feel a difference from what you were feeling a moment ago, well, congratulations - there is probably a job for you in the Bush administration. Consider the sad irony that this theory was crafted in that very building, by the George W. Bush Office of Legal Counsel.
In a nutshell, these three Bush administration legal propositions boil down to this:
- "I don't have to follow my own rules, and I don't have to tell you when I'm breaking them."
- "I get to determine what my own powers are."
- "The Department of Justice doesn't tell me what the law is, I tell the Department of Justice what the law is."
When the Congress of the United States is willing to roll over for an unprincipled President, this is where you end up. We should not even be having this discussion. But here we are. I implore my colleagues: reject these feverish legal theories. I understand political loyalty, trust me, I do. But let us also be loyal to this great institution we serve in the legislative branch of our government. Let us also be loyal to the Constitution we took an oath to defend, from enemies foreign and domestic. And let us be loyal to the American people who live each day under our Constitution's principles and protections.
We simply cannot put the authority to wiretap Americans, whenever they step outside America's boundaries, under the exclusive control and supervision of the executive branch. We do not allow it when Americans are here at home; we should not allow it when they travel abroad. The principles of congressional legislation and oversight, and of judicial approval and review, are simple and longstanding. Americans deserve this protection wherever on God's green earth they may travel. [my emphasis]
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW!
That Yee-haw is favorable to Whitehouse, BTW.
Wow, Emtywheel, now we know the answers to some of our questions regarding Whitehouse. He’s been studying all the documents! He doesn’t speak without firm backing of his views in a legal context. This is an incredible speech and I hope we see the video of it soon.
Senator Whitehouse says, “we are not some banana republic in which the officials all have to kowtow to the “supreme leader”" then sets out oh so clearly that in the minds of your leaders oh yes you are!
To a UK lawyer this is frightening stuff.
How exactly does it get stopped or are you close to a Reichstag moment in the USA?
Marcy,
I Dugg It
And the rest of you should Digg it too!
Sheldon Whitehouse is the best I have seen in some long time… and
he got there with great help from the DFH bloggers, yeah!
As I heard the reports of the second tower being hit on September 11, 2001, all I could think of was:
“Every tyrant needs his Reichstag fire.”
We’re long past that moment, sad to say.
This explains that part of waxman’s letter to Mukasey about the precident set by Reno inturnign over docs w/o consulting the WH. This is a consitutional crisis akin to Marbury v. Madison. Which is why PatFitz is being so methodical about it. Crossing the “t” dotting the “i”, the stakes are VERY high
man, these declarations are BRUTAL!
3) the doj is bound by whatever the president says?…holy CRAP
2) the PRESIDENT decides if what HE HIMSELF DID is illegal?…HOLY CRAP
1) if there is a an executive order and the president wants to change it or ignore it, he doesn’t have to inform anyone
why the hell issue the executive order in the first place?
HOLY CRAP
man, this is some really sick stuff, no wonder they wanted to keep these from “opinions” from everyone
This is why so-called moderate or liberal Republicans need to be contested in elections. Lincoln Chaffee can’t hold a candle to Whitehouse.
I expect everyone rembembers that hostility to the notion of judicial review is now the frankly stated legal “philosophy” of the Republican party as a whole. Remember Tom Delay:
http://www.citizen.org/congres…..m?ID=13081
Marcy,
Are all of these OLC opinions from John Yoo?
I am fairly certain that Waxman, at least, hasn’t read this yet. Whitehouse just had these passages declasssified, and he didn’t have the clearance (as an HPSCI member or HJC member) to read them himself.
Without stare decisis the law is just a game of Simon Says.
No way to tell. They came in the batch that SSCI finally got before they passed their version of FISA, which almost certainly included Yoo opinions. But there are probably Steven Marbury opinions in there too–he’s as bad as Yoo, I think. And I’m sure they include Goldsmith opinions, though I hope he wouldn’t support any of this BS.
Yup, that’s how I read this too. (I changed the title as it really sunk in, this is Bush saying he is not bound by the rule of law.)
I’ll hazard a guess the answer to that is yes, and that Bybee and Marbury get an assist and that Addington is the ghost author that did the lionshare of the framing and posturing.
Woo! and while we’re at it, Hoo!
Wow. Just wow.
Imagine the republicans’ involuntary defacation if we are able to draft…
SHELDON FOR VP!!
Jeebus. How do we stop them, without them monitoring every move we take in advance?
What’s to stop them from pulling a Musharraf on us?
Whitehouse…. I love this man!
The breadth of the takeover here is breathtaking…. not that we didn’t suspect it. But to have the proof positive. Especially in the hands and legal mind and articulate voice of Whitehouse.
He is my hero! Boy would I love to see this man as Attorney General!
Spread this article far and wide! Everyone that can, please digg this!
This Statement of Bush-the-UE’s Above-the-Law-ness Powers points right at the smoking gun:
1. “I don’t have to follow my own rules, and I don’t have to tell you when I’m breaking them.”
2. “I get to determine what my own powers are.”
3. “The Department of Justice doesn’t tell me what the law is, I tell the Department of Justice what the law is.”
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These three strikes, when even one of them alone would do, should be enough to bring down Corrupt and Arrogant BushCo!
Prima facie stuff for impeachment, but since all Congressional Repugs, and particularly Senate Repugs, have chosen to remain in the bunker with Der Fueher until the bitter end, we’ll instead have to depend on a Democratic Administration getting elected in 2008, and one that commits to prosecution of these evildoers.
They’ve been angling for it for years - the ‘coffin corner’. Don’t nazify too fast, don’t nazify too slow. But they have failed. The JCOS push back saved the country. This week is the tipping point.
And now - On to the trials!
Well, somebody in this administration is competent enough to keep injecting this poison into our system of government. Evil, corrosive, and machiavellian legal trip lines planted everywhere. Thanks be for Whitehouse, anyway, for exposing it.
I think we need to be fully prepared to seek assistance from other nations. Because, should that happen, it’s not just We the People who would be hostage, but the whole world.
Coalition Against bush? I bet you gather one!
As I look at everything happening just this month, to me it looks like Hoover Dam set to blow.
For Whitehouse, that is.
Whitehouse reading the “stuff” he is exercising over sight over. Damn refreshing.
EW you may be interested in what Larry Johnson is saying about the “torture tapes”
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2…..ment-76275
“Then there is the question of tradecraft. Did the CIA officers participating in the interrogation/torture sessions allow themselves to be filmed so that they could be easily identified? I am skeptical. When the truth comes out I think we are likely to discover the people doing the questioning were contractors, not undercover Agency officers.”
Coupla things: Whitehouse may not have had them declassified so he could quote from them, but He could say “lok I’ve been reading the stuff, and here’s what we have to do folks”
He may well have been quarterbacking alot of these manuevers. Something happened and happened virtually vernight to save the Mukasey nomination–could it be that Mukasey said the rigt things about rule of law (andMarbury v. MAdison) You know, in almost every law school in AMerica, M v. M as the very first case on the very first day. This case establishes the concept or rule of law
Thanks for this great post.
It takes a Whitehouse to crush a Whitehouse?
He gets my vote for Chairman, let’s replace Jay…
Whitehouse needs to appear on KO
Warning: pulling-it-out-of-my-hat speculation ahead . . .
From what I’ve seen of Whitehouse in action, I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t (a) finish this speech, return to his office, fax the speech over to Mukasey, then call him on the phone and him to chat with him about it; or (b) chat with him first, then head over to give the speech on the Senate floor.
Actually, I’d bet on (b) — it’s possible that Mukasey was part of the discussions in the course of getting these excerpts declassified.
And if we’re really lucky, Mukasey might even be smiling at having a little support to help him stand up to the firm of Cheney, Addington, and Associates.
Is this where we start hearing more about Impeachment from those that matter? John Dean’s first pick ( I was able to ask him this question when he visited FDL) is David Addington.
damn. marcy, if you’re referring whitehouse’s speech on the senate floor today (at about 10:30 am), i could have had a youtube of it for you by now - except that the new c-span archives are having technical difficulties this week (i’ve already contacted them about a couple of times).
They could not have been declassified w/o Mukasey knwoing about it in advance. he is part of he process.
I’ve never been to law school, but this was the very first case we learned about in my long-ago high school US government class (aka civics).
Is Mukasey on our side…
We will soon learn, but based on all the previous malarkey,
what are the odds?
EW, just a wee bit OT, but Marty Lederman at the Balkinization blog has a fine h/t to you and your Torture timeline post.
Just thought this merited a round of applause here from all who stand in shock and awe of your work!
Huzzah for Emptywheel!!! Hip, hip, hooray!
Looks like Teddy’s joining the party.
On the floor.
CRAP. selise, was that speech read into the Senate’s records???
TheraP, that’s a massive understatement there, the Hoover Dam ready to blow. Just read the entire database of points that EW collected, along with the other points that have been added from a couple of media outlets, and you can see they have been playing a massive game of chess, one move after another, escalating the size of the move all along the board.
How does one get BIGGER than than “accidentally” shipping nukes across the country?? I have been on tenterhooks since I heard about that, in concert with the incident in the Syrian desert. What does their next move look like as they are now backing into a corner?
Goetterdaemmerung!
It’s not question of “on our side” I doubt he thinks about little old us at all.
Te question is, was Mukasey recruited by Schumer tot ake onthe mission of going to DOJ to clean up the mess? And did he agree to to do that? And if so, will he honor that agreement?
Clearly, Waxman thinks so and is calling on him to follow the Reno precident of the AG deciding what gets turned over–so that would mean ignoring the “DOJ is bound by the prsident’s legal determinations” theory.
Don’t forget, the Office of Legal COunsel, reports to the AG, so theoretically, the AG can over rule OLC.
I know it gets a little circular, but OLC says president can over rule AG when it comes to legal determinations, only AG can over rule OLC.
It’s kinda rock/paper/scissors
I dunno, but I don’t think so, unless it was in one of those “private conversations” Mukasey had with key Senators where he made statements 180 degrees diametrically opposed to his sworn testimony (like Huckleberry Graham described regarding torture). Mukasey seemed fairly on board with the Bush shenanigans to me….
I would like Pelosi, Hoyer and Emmanuel to answer these questions: “Despite all of the presumptively high criminal acts and desecration of the Constitution, you have repeatedly stated that “impeachment is off the table”; what, in your opinion, could or would be a sufficient threshold of conduct that impeachment should be considered? Is there anything the Bush Administration could do that would cause you to consider the Constitutional protection of impeachment, or is that clause simply inoperative for some reason as to this specific administration?”
i think so. it’s listed at 14min 30 which seems about right. and i called his office to confirm - they did confirm it was that speech, but i’m not sure how knowledgeable the person was i spoke with… i only called whitehouse’s office after calling c-span -again - to ask when their archive would be back to normal (it’s been running on about a 1 hour delay - but this week it’s been seriously fucked up). the person i spoke to at whitehouse’s office said she didn’t know if there were any plans to post the video on line, so i suggested it.
marcy, have you asked capnews (or equivalent) to put up a youtube? i don’t want to bother asking them if you already have.
Teddy as in Kennedy? Or Our teddy SanFran? What exactly is he doing?
Thanks. I understand, but we need an “Eliot Richardson” moment.
You gotta admit they are stalling…
I’m glad you still have faith in the system, but I believe we are
on borrowed time.
EW,
I hope you don’t mind, but I did a couple of excerpted referrals of this post over at Glenn Greenwald’s and Marty Lederman’s places. Just making sure the word gets spread around.
lhp — it’s Teddy K, on the Senate floor.
The French have a word for what those OLC opinions represent:
coup d’etat - the sudden overthrow of a government, often through illegal means by a part of the state establishment
Those three propositions outlined by Whitehouse completely subvert our system of government. They say, in effect, that the President can make any law he pleases and violate them with impunity.
Take a look at Sheldon’s floor speech announcing his no vote on
Mukasey… I doubt they are in some concert other than Mukasey yielding
to some respect for law at this critical moment.
Totally intuition.
But I think Mukasey is on the side of the light.
During his confirmation he refused to say Waterboarding was torture. It seemed he wanted to declare WB torture, But it was less important to say it and more important to get confirmed so he could fight it.
I think Mukasey came down kind of in the middle. He made it clear that if there’s a criminal investigation of USA Purge, it’ll be done in DOJ (though I think Libby’s appeal may affect how that would happen, if it were to be done in DOJ). Mukasey made it crystal clear that he doesn’t believe DOJ can hold Congress in contempt. By the same token, Mukasey made several things quite clear, one of them that Bush can’t simply decide he doesn’t have to follow his own EOs.
Borrowed from China?
Let’s both hope you are wrong, or that we can use that borrowed time, to turn things around
IS he speaking to this issue as well?
No, I haven’t, not yet. I’ve been tweaking the psot and trying to get people to look at this. I would love if you got a clip.
Bu’ush basically says he IS the law. Absent Supreme Court rulings telling him otherwise, he will just continue to do as he pleases. Congress ain’t gonna stand up to him.
He’s addressing the destruction of evidence.
Lies under oath about a bj. I’m sorry could not help myself
will do what i can. in the future (when the kinks get worked out of the new c-span archive) i’ll be able to easily do it myself.
Even if Whitehouse didn’t coorodinate with Mukasey, he’s painted him into a very tight box, forcing him to choose between being (a) a BushCo toady or (b)Attorney General of the United States of America. I’m idealistic enough to think he’ll choose (b).
With all the hassles that BushCo went to in order to get Mukasey confirmed, a Mukasey threat to return to a life of retirement would carry a lot of weight. “If you overrule my judgment on this, that’s your prerogative as president. If that’s what you decide to do, I’ll pack up my office today, and wave good bye to the press corps on the way out the door. And good luck with working with Congress on anything else over the next 13 months.”
Glad to hear we’re viewing this in a similar fashion. Not worried about the analogy… but that’s about the biggest man-made thing I could think of that I’ve personally seen (holding back a huge waterfall)… and the thought of all that (as if built by these crooks) collapsing on top of them.
As for the game of chess, exactly, as a description of “our side.”
My comment was meant more as a sense of the turning of the tide. And I take it you’re in agreement that we’re on the crest of a wave here.
Sorry, lhp, phone call here, EW got you.
Co-equal branch of government better take the same powers and kick some ass in a freaking hurry, before more evidence goes up in smoke.
Think I need to have a chat with some technology peeps about whether they pulled an AT&T blackroom type move on those 10M emails now missing…bet you there’s torture chatter in there, along with Iran stuff.
He may not be able to hold a candle to Whitehouse. But he sure can hold a candle to Schumer and Feinstein.
Lincoln Chaffee had smoke coming out of his ears during the John Bolton nomination hearings. He was visibly pissed off and asked hard driving quesions. I thought he was going to join the Democratic Senators Kennedy, Kerry, Biden and Dodd when it looked like they were going to collectively jump John Boltons ass when they were hammering him about the not yet released NSA intercepts. Lincoln Chaffee was holding more than a candle that day it looked more like a blowtorch.
Harper would be on his knees, thanking god. My prime minister would never get involved, too busy tending to those scabby knee of his.
If the democratic party wins the next election, that’s if there is one, Whitehouse for AG.
MadDog at 24:
Our chance of getting any other administration is slim to none at this point. All that is required is a true “Reichstag” moment ala Tom Clancy’s “Debt of Honor” in which the airplane does not crash in a field in Pennsylvania. There would be one difference; the president and vice president would not be present for the slaughter but would be present for the permanent administration to follow.
A much more detailed investigation of administration actions around such a scenario is required; 9/11 was life imitating art except for the realities of some ballsy air passengers. Is that why we must now be completely disarmed to fly?
Meanwhile, while important business takes place in the Senate, Oprah
and Obama are meeting and greeting.
What fucking irony…
ew -
OMG! I caught some portion of this live on C-Span and just sat there with mouth hanging open. Tried to e-mail his office to see if transcript available but not sure it went thru’.
Pardon my slowness but am not quite following sequence of his remarks. Would it be possible for you to add the URL for text from beginning straight thru’ to end? Vid is useless for me due to dial-up.
Thanks!
I think you’re right, Peterr–which is why I think it so important that Whitehouse got him on the record on EOs before he was confirmed. He picked a seemingly (but not actually) innocuous item to draw a line in the sand, such that if Mukasey doesn’t cooperate, it’ll be easy to illustrate his hypocrisy. And everything else being equal, I think Mukasey is very intent on not coming out of this experience looking like he sacrificed principle.
Leen
Here’s the link you asked for on the last thread. It’s also listed as a news item on FDL home page.
http://www.harpers.org/archive…..c-90001868
My favorite one is the third one. The Department of Justice issues a legal opinion that they don’t have the authority to issue legal opinions.
There’s not a link yet–his office is trying to get it up.
BUt the entire speech is in here–Just take the excerpts after the line and sandwich the two exceprts In put in there, and there’s your speech in its entirety.
Destined by his name, perhaps. But aren’t we better off with a senator who can set a standard for others. Also it is not clear that the next Pres. is going to have a VP who does anything but go to funerals.
“Let us also be loyal to the Constitution we took an oath to defend, from enemies foreign and domestic.” (my bold)…Whitehouse knows what’s goin’ down.
The E.O. is horrifying to read, but I am not one bit surprised. It has been my intuition also, that all of what we have experienced, beginning prior to and including 9/11, and all that 9/11 has justified for these war criminals has been carefully orchestrated by design.
I hope it’s not too late. There is no conspiracy theory, there is only conspiracy by these people who have hijacked our country.
Also, in that E.O., it seems to me that there’s a lot of room for money laundering for their heinous programs. My only question is, why did they even bother to amend the previous E.O….why? To make it seem legal to people like Hayden and McConnell, so they would participate without asking questions, thinking it was/is all legal…?
Well, I see that, but isn’t that kind of a big circle jerk? Mukasey buys into the UE and that Bush can order Administration officials to not cooperate with, and produce evidence to, Congress and that Congress has no viable power to enforce contempt as a response. He then states that any investigation is proper to be handled by the DOJ under Bush’s direct control. I am not saying that Mukasey may not do the right thing, just that you cannot determine that from his confirmation testimony and written submissions to the record.
In a nutshell, these three Bush administration legal propositions boil down to this:
1. “I don’t have to follow my own rules, and I don’t have to tell you when I’m breaking them.”
2. “I get to determine what my own powers are.”
3. “The Department of Justice doesn’t tell me what the law is, I tell the Department of Justice what the law is.”
So is this “nutshell” more of David Addington’s work”
And if it is determined that they need to wiretap “spy” on an American citizen that they believe is operating in behalf of a foreign country what is the correct procedure? And if they use this correct procedure is it more than likely that that individual or individuals would be alerted to what is taking place?
Never mind Waccamaww–I’ve put the whole speech together to make it easier to read. So the whole thing under the line is the speech in its entirety.
except that he is a role model for the senators.
I wonder if we’ll get any comment from anyone in the judicial branch. Will anybody think to ask? I’d love to hear what the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court thinks about this.
emailed dan and copied you on it. asked him to let you know if he can get a clip up. he’s the only person i know to ask who covers the house and senate floor (and some committee hearings).
Which s why I think we are comming to our own MArbury V. MAdison moment.
What’s going to be? Rule of law or no rule of law?
We are about to see if Schumer’s gamble pays off. I know most folks around here don’t like Chuck, but will all please pray (or whatever the non praying members do) that just this once, things pan out for him? Uh, us?
We’ve known this for a long time now. He’ll just keep on, unless the Supremes tell him otherwise. Congress won’t do much expect make a little noise.
I don’t think he does believe in the UE.
His rationale for not referring the contempt is that DOJ has already said Harriet and Turdblossom would not be at risk for contempt if they stiffed the Committees. So it’s a legal issue, not a philosophical one.
As to his refusal to appoint a Special Prosecutor, I do think that was one of the three or for concessions he made to BushCo. I think he believes he can take care of the investigation. Though–pending Libby’s appeal–that still means they can appoint a USA to investigate internally.
Dana Peroxide says the Prez had no knowledge of the CIA’s Destruction
Demolition (I wonder if they burned it and put into an urn) Derby…
Will cooperate with Attorney General if he opens an investigation (yeah right)
EW, as explosive as the declassified stuff is, what are they still hiding?
let me re word this to what is really happening
“And if it is determined that want to steal from on an an American citizen they can make believe they are not stealing and whatever they want to claim is the correct procedure is”
that’s what is really going on
E.O. 13355: I think this goes way beyond spying…it could also include any form of torture, murder, or anything else W tells them to do:
“The Director of Central Intelligence (Director) shall perform the functions set forth in this order to ensure an enhanced joint, unified national intelligence effort to protect the national security of the United States. Such functions shall be in addition to those assigned to the Director by law, Executive Order, or Presidential directive.”
With this court we have little prospect of relief, Florida 2000.
LS
Understand, the EO I linked to was signed by Saint Ronnie and no doubt was designed to do the things you say–to push back somewhat from the restrictions taht Carter accepted in 1978 (which is what EO this one replaced). So yes, it authorizes a bunch of horrid stuff we know CIA to have been doing, like laundering money and so on. Remember, Ronnie signed this just as they were contemplating Iran-Contra.
The only reason I linked to Bush’s revision of the original is to show that Bush has himself endorsed the value of revising EOs when they change. The content of Bush’s revision is fairly milquetoast–it just changes the structure of the Intelligence Community to put the DNI in there. So I linked to the revision not so much because it shows what Bush found objectionable about an already lenient EO, but to show that, on some items, he does got through the motions.
of COURSE it goes beyond spying, he is saying that whatever he says he can do becomes the law
this is REALLY REALLY BAD
Right. And it’s not just this EO, it’s every EO. So we basically see, i front of us, the completely “legal” justification for outing Valerie Plame.
and THAT’S the way this NEEDS to be discussed by all demcrats, they need to get on the TEEvee and say;
“the president claims that if he says it’s ok for him to murder you or your wife that makes it ok
the president says that if he says it’s ok to rape your daughter that means it’s the law
the president says if he wants to blow up new york with a nuclear bomb then the the law says he can do it”
MAN, THIS IS REALLY REALLY BAD
That is the problem. Ok. Can we just clone Whitehouse and have him in the three branches of govt? We need him in the Senate. Yes. And we need such a mind at the Supreme Court. And also as AG.
Thank goodness someone is standing up for the Constitution. That’s what I’ve been wanting all along… people ready to even die a political death… on behalf of the Constitution. That, to me, is the meaning of the oath they take.