Comments on: Was Ramzi Bin al-Shibh the Second Al Qaeda Detainee? http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/ Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:58:42 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Neil http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/comment-page-1/#comment-36140 Neil Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:24:49 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/#comment-36140 <blockquote><p>Which, since it’s coming from a reliable journalist (Lichtblau) I guess means the rest of this bloviating is pointless.</p> </blockquote> <p>No not pointeless. It’s a pleasure following your line of thinking as you assemble facts, sift through the implication of one against the another, and draw informed conclusions. It’s the road not just the destination.</p>

Which, since it’s coming from a reliable journalist (Lichtblau) I guess means the rest of this bloviating is pointless.

No not pointeless. It’s a pleasure following your line of thinking as you assemble facts, sift through the implication of one against the another, and draw informed conclusions. It’s the road not just the destination.

]]> By: jackie http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/comment-page-1/#comment-36131 jackie Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:57:44 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/#comment-36131 <p>Oh no, I didn’t mean it in a bad way. I just thought it was funny. And, of course MSM knows where this blog is……;)</p> Oh no, I didn’t mean it in a bad way. I just thought it was funny. And, of course MSM knows where this blog is……;)

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/comment-page-1/#comment-36129 emptywheel Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:54:29 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/#comment-36129 <p>Eh, I’m not too bummed. After all, the NYT probably doesn’t want to explain why they’re linking to a blog that after all has only existed for less than a week. It’s probably hard for the old media to figure out who I am or why they’re linking to me.</p> Eh, I’m not too bummed. After all, the NYT probably doesn’t want to explain why they’re linking to a blog that after all has only existed for less than a week. It’s probably hard for the old media to figure out who I am or why they’re linking to me.

]]> By: Neil http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/comment-page-1/#comment-36128 Neil Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:46:33 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/#comment-36128 <blockquote><p>Interesting that Perino says Bush has no recollection of knowing about the tapes or their destruction. Why (asking jokingly) isn’t he saying he wants to see heads on a platter of those involved in the destruction of evidence? Bush has said nothing indicating that this would be the least bit upsetting.</p> </blockquote> <p>You mean like <em>“Anyone in my adminstration who was involved on the desrtuction of the tapes will be dealt with”</em></p>

Interesting that Perino says Bush has no recollection of knowing about the tapes or their destruction. Why (asking jokingly) isn’t he saying he wants to see heads on a platter of those involved in the destruction of evidence? Bush has said nothing indicating that this would be the least bit upsetting.

You mean like “Anyone in my adminstration who was involved on the desrtuction of the tapes will be dealt with”

]]> By: jackie http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/comment-page-1/#comment-36124 jackie Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:28:58 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/#comment-36124 <p>What was funny about this is he ‘couldn’t’ write the actual name of Marcy’s little blog…Marcy, they’re scared of you….:) </p> <p>‘What Will New Justice Chief Do? Senators Edward M. Kennedy and Senator Richard J. Durbin called for a Justice Department inquiry, immediately giving the new Attorney General, Michael Mukasey, “a mighty big headache,” as Marcy Wheeler put it on a <strong>left-leaning blog.</strong></p> <p>“I guess we won’t have long to wait to see whether he’s willing to spike investigations for the Unitary Executive.”</p> <p><strong>That blog</strong> also has a helpful timeline.’</p> What was funny about this is he ‘couldn’t’ write the actual name of Marcy’s little blog…Marcy, they’re scared of you….:)

‘What Will New Justice Chief Do? Senators Edward M. Kennedy and Senator Richard J. Durbin called for a Justice Department inquiry, immediately giving the new Attorney General, Michael Mukasey, “a mighty big headache,” as Marcy Wheeler put it on a left-leaning blog.

“I guess we won’t have long to wait to see whether he’s willing to spike investigations for the Unitary Executive.”

That blog also has a helpful timeline.’

]]> By: wavpeac http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/comment-page-1/#comment-36123 wavpeac Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:11:43 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/#comment-36123 <p>I have often wondered what the consequences will be to have a man like Moussoui having complete knowledge of the corruption…since he knows clearly who and what he is up against, having a man like that locked up behind bars with thousands of impressionable men. If he has the personality that i think he does, this could be a very dangerous and slow way to change the tide in america…from pro america…to anti america-from the inside out. (since we house such a large population behind bars)</p> <p>Just one more small but dangerous behavior…</p> I have often wondered what the consequences will be to have a man like Moussoui having complete knowledge of the corruption…since he knows clearly who and what he is up against, having a man like that locked up behind bars with thousands of impressionable men. If he has the personality that i think he does, this could be a very dangerous and slow way to change the tide in america…from pro america…to anti america-from the inside out. (since we house such a large population behind bars)

Just one more small but dangerous behavior…

]]> By: eCAHNomics http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/comment-page-1/#comment-36122 eCAHNomics Sat, 08 Dec 2007 14:03:31 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/#comment-36122 <p>Zubaydah was a nothing & was made crazy by the U.S. torture. Booman has a much better article.<br /> <a href="http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2007/12/6/192315/477">http://www.boomantribune.com/s…..192315/477</a></p> Zubaydah was a nothing & was made crazy by the U.S. torture. Booman has a much better article.
http://www.boomantribune.com/s…..192315/477

]]> By: emptywheel http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/comment-page-1/#comment-36109 emptywheel Sat, 08 Dec 2007 12:19:12 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/#comment-36109 <p>Judy observed teh interrogation of Mohammed Salah, whom NDIL put on trial for supporting Hezbollah. The interrogation was in the late 1990s, and Judy did write on it–though reports she saw no torture.</p> Judy observed teh interrogation of Mohammed Salah, whom NDIL put on trial for supporting Hezbollah. The interrogation was in the late 1990s, and Judy did write on it–though reports she saw no torture.

]]> By: bobschacht http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/comment-page-1/#comment-36107 bobschacht Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:00:12 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/#comment-36107 <p>“Hmmmm…in light of all of the layers of lies…in light of the destroyed tapes….In light of all of the flying here and flying there…in light of the acknowledged torture….in light of Whitehouse’s findings….in light of the NIE….I’m not so sure so many of these “detainees” are able to be produced “in person” should anyone ever demand it….</p> <p>I’ve got a “bad” feeling about all of this…real bad.”</p> <p>The prototype is Moussaoui. You saw what they’ve done to him. His whole personality has been reconstructed. An inner core that is scared to death of his interrogators, and an outer layer that is not only compliant, but eager to please his captors. He wanted to plead guilty so that he would be sent to a different prison than the one he’d been in, with the interrogators whom he feared. In other words, the CIA destroyed him. He’s now a zombie, for all practical purposes. Something similar has probably happened to the others.</p> <p>Bob in HI</p> “Hmmmm…in light of all of the layers of lies…in light of the destroyed tapes….In light of all of the flying here and flying there…in light of the acknowledged torture….in light of Whitehouse’s findings….in light of the NIE….I’m not so sure so many of these “detainees” are able to be produced “in person” should anyone ever demand it….

I’ve got a “bad” feeling about all of this…real bad.”

The prototype is Moussaoui. You saw what they’ve done to him. His whole personality has been reconstructed. An inner core that is scared to death of his interrogators, and an outer layer that is not only compliant, but eager to please his captors. He wanted to plead guilty so that he would be sent to a different prison than the one he’d been in, with the interrogators whom he feared. In other words, the CIA destroyed him. He’s now a zombie, for all practical purposes. Something similar has probably happened to the others.

Bob in HI

]]> By: Rayne http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/comment-page-1/#comment-36106 Rayne Sat, 08 Dec 2007 07:17:16 +0000 http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/07/was-ramzi-bin-al-shibh-the-second-al-qaeda-detainee/#comment-36106 <p>Hmmm (63) — Still have one with all EW’s content and content pulled from BBC and RadioFreeEurope in a <a href="http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pt9owyFBVG7JB05ck9yCCPw">Google Doc</a>. </p> <p>Seems to be stable, no comments so far. </p> <p>selise was still working on culling info from Hugh’s scandal list. Afraid I’ve had no time to add to the list since last nice, need to add EW’s latest from today.</p> <p>Won’t be able to look at this again until Saturday night, hope that the data slows down a bit so I can play catch up.</p> <p>On the other hand, if that’s what it takes to stop the coup, bring on the data.</p> Hmmm (63) — Still have one with all EW’s content and content pulled from BBC and RadioFreeEurope in a Google Doc.

Seems to be stable, no comments so far.

selise was still working on culling info from Hugh’s scandal list. Afraid I’ve had no time to add to the list since last nice, need to add EW’s latest from today.

Won’t be able to look at this again until Saturday night, hope that the data slows down a bit so I can play catch up.

On the other hand, if that’s what it takes to stop the coup, bring on the data.

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