Comments on: Hillary: Bashing the Youth Vote

By: rapt

rapt — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:48:04 +0000

“augering us in from the stratusphere” …its more like from other galaxies Beel.

Another likely reason that there are no decent R candidates is that Cheneyco had plans for a world emergency that would “justify” keeping the presidency etc. Fortunately out generals and admirals have so far prevented this; Cheney’s stars are descending now but there is no telling what the neocons can do in desperation.

I think Obama can whip any of the current pack of Rs face-to-face, but Diebold is at the ready. IMO those pundits are right who declare that Hilary is not electable; she elicits hate from too many voters. Privately I am pleased that she does. It is true that young Obama would have a hella time as pres, up against a cadre of wrinkled lizards.

By: Beel

Beel — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:37:11 +0000

“Karl’s favorite Democratic candidate” is not Hillary, but Obama. For what that’s worth. I’m not supporting Hillary, but I think I see the direction this election is going to take, and it’s most disturbing. Hillary is going to falter in Iowa, Obama is going to win Iowa, and Edwards and the other candidates below Hillary are too far back already. We will thus end up with Obama as the Democratic nominee. The general electorate is going to look at Obama and say, too young, too inexperienced, and, eeeeiiikkkk–isn’t he black? (190K hate crimes reported last year I believe is the stat of importance.) Granted, the Rs still have the most rediculous, pathetic array of potential candidates ever. Granted, Bush is an anchor around the neck of the GOP. But–goddammit–Ronald Reagan was able to win a presidential election in this country. I do not think things are looking too great for us to escape this bunch of loonies who are augering us in from the stratosphere.

By: prostratedragon

prostratedragon — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 08:41:34 +0000

If this is a caucus, then I cast my vote for “stupid.” The young voters HRC is dissing now are also the group perhaps most likely to become footloose next November if they feel taken advantage of.

It’s pretty ugly in all the other ways people have mentioned, too, and suggests exactly the kind of working-out-well-for-them tin ear I’d expect a not fully-reconstructed Goldwater girl to have. Careful, there.

By: RossK

RossK — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 04:02:33 +0000

Hang on a sec while I set my metaphorical irony stun gun to ‘eleven’ because…. on extreme…..

Didn’t a young Hilary Rodham once pledge to stay clean for Gene?

Ahhhhh yes, here it is:

She grew up as a Goldwater Republican, like her father, in the middle-class Chicago suburb of Park Ridge. By the time she was a freshman at Wellesley, when she was elected president of the College Republicans, her concern with civil rights and the war in Vietnam put her closer to the moderate-liberal wing of the GOP led by Nelson Rockefeller. By her junior year, she had to be talked by her professor into taking an internship with Rep. Gerald R. Ford and the House Republican Caucus. In her senior year, she was campaigning for the anti-war Democrat Eugene McCarthy.

Whew!

That was some jolt.

By: joejoejoe

joejoejoe — Thu, 06 Dec 2007 02:15:42 +0000

A sophomore going to college in Ames has spent more time in Iowa than Hillary Clinton spent in the state of New York before being elected Senator from New York. HRC is doing her best Hillary von Spakovsky imitation on this one.

By: eyesonthestreet

eyesonthestreet — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:20:41 +0000

I guess Hillary is going to add you to her “Enemies List.” It must be as long as all of the boxes of documents of her role in the Clinton White House stacked end-to-end that her and Bill are keeping on hold until after the election.

By: rapt

rapt — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:31:27 +0000

A few bits on Hilary I’ve picked up thru scanning/reading in the last few years:

* She is Karl’s favorite dem candidate.

* The Clinton marriage was for political advantage. (Idle speculation of course)

* Bill and Poppy traveled together as pals for a while - what was that all about?

* PTB have tired of Repubs for now - need to keep seat open for future, settle the angry masses; therefore Hilary has been selected. If not, why are there no credible Repub candidates?

* She voted to invade Iraq didn’t she? No, I mean she voted to give Dubya the power to invade.

* Has Hilary made any positive commitment to bring the troops home?

For these and other reasons I believe HRC has been set up to win in 08, retain the old imperialist system under a Democratic flag for the time being. A surprise upset by Obama or Edwards or ??? cannot be allowed to occur. And so we have…fear and drastic measures as discussed above.

By: emptywheel

emptywheel — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:53:24 +0000

Well, here in the People’s Republic of Ann Arbor, they’re probably more worried about the aging hippies who’ve lived here since the 60s than they are about the college students, who tend to be more conservative than 3/4 of Ann Arborites anyway.

By: pseudonymousinnc

pseudonymousinnc — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:23:58 +0000

Having to deal with an electorate that isn’t ‘authentically Iowan’ (read: mostly white, mostly corn) means shaping the message in ways that would reflect a less tightly focused (and more easily focus-grouped) populace. That’s why Hillary doesn’t like it: it punctures the bullshit balloon of Iowa electioneering.

By: dakine01

dakine01 — Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:20:22 +0000

Jeebuz, I thought this shit had been resolved decades ago. When I was in college in the early 70s in Kentucky we went through the vote at home of record versus vote in college town and I thought it was resolved in favor of registering and voting in college town. But then, administrators and mayors in college towns have never looked fondly on the student populations they couldn’t control.