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		<title>By: JEP07</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/04/scottish-haggis-latest-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-34987</link>
		<dc:creator>JEP07</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 06:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, watch what you say about haggis, it’s good stuff…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, watch what you say about haggis, it’s good stuff…</p>
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		<title>By: JodiDog</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/04/scottish-haggis-latest-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-34985</link>
		<dc:creator>JodiDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Neil, &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I just read all the comments, and saw yours.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps you have never heard the expression &lt;em&gt;~stick to you like a tick to a dog~&lt;/em&gt;  I thought it was pretty common, but since you don’t seem to know it, it means &lt;strong&gt;“stay very close.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Neil, </strong></p>
<p>I just read all the comments, and saw yours.</p>
<p>Perhaps you have never heard the expression <em>~stick to you like a tick to a dog~</em>  I thought it was pretty common, but since you don’t seem to know it, it means <strong>“stay very close.”</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Taechan</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/04/scottish-haggis-latest-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-34978</link>
		<dc:creator>Taechan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 05:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Regarding covering the private actors–check the bill’s definition Item (4) &lt;em&gt;Electronic Communication Service Provider&lt;/em&gt;.  We have (A) telecom carrier defined in sect 3 of Communications Act 1934, (B) provider of electronic comm. services defined 18 USC 2510, (C) provider of remote computing services defined 18 USC 2711, (D) any other comm. services provider who has access to wire or electornic comms. either as such transmitted or as such stored, (E) a parent, subsidiary, affiliate, successor, or assignee of entity described in subpara. (A, B, C, or D), or &lt;strong&gt;(F) an officer, employee, or agent &lt;/strong&gt; of an entity described in subparagraph (A),(B),(C),(D) or (E).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding covering the private actors–check the bill’s definition Item (4) <em>Electronic Communication Service Provider</em>.  We have (A) telecom carrier defined in sect 3 of Communications Act 1934, (B) provider of electronic comm. services defined 18 USC 2510, (C) provider of remote computing services defined 18 USC 2711, (D) any other comm. services provider who has access to wire or electornic comms. either as such transmitted or as such stored, (E) a parent, subsidiary, affiliate, successor, or assignee of entity described in subpara. (A, B, C, or D), or <strong>(F) an officer, employee, or agent </strong> of an entity described in subparagraph (A),(B),(C),(D) or (E).</p>
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		<title>By: JodiDog</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/04/scottish-haggis-latest-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-34975</link>
		<dc:creator>JodiDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 04:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;emptywheel&lt;/strong&gt;,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it is simple enough to see who the real &lt;strong&gt;Jodi&lt;/strong&gt; is.  Just look at the email address registered over here for &lt;strong&gt;JodiDog&lt;/strong&gt;, and the email address used for many months (before the last 2 or maybe 3 weeks) over on &lt;strong&gt;TNH&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think that the &lt;strong&gt;false Jodi &lt;/strong&gt;must have known about your switching over to &lt;strong&gt;FDL&lt;/strong&gt; for they started the major part of their impersonation about 2 weeks before over on &lt;strong&gt;TNH&lt;/strong&gt; and grabbed the &lt;strong&gt;Jodi&lt;/strong&gt; name over here on &lt;strong&gt;FDL.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And if you don’t want to be challenged or your other posters can’t handle differing opinions, then as I said before a long time ago, just put at the top of the page.  &lt;strong&gt;“Only liberal progressives should post on this blog.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then you can have a perfect litany and harmononious song like chant of agreement that will swell up like some great wave though it will finally be dashed back by the &lt;em&gt;stony cliffs of real America.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;… and I will go quietly and politely, dusting off my hem, as I depart.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Jodi (the original, now called JodiDog)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>emptywheel</strong>,</p>
<p>it is simple enough to see who the real <strong>Jodi</strong> is.  Just look at the email address registered over here for <strong>JodiDog</strong>, and the email address used for many months (before the last 2 or maybe 3 weeks) over on <strong>TNH</strong>.</p>
<p>I think that the <strong>false Jodi </strong>must have known about your switching over to <strong>FDL</strong> for they started the major part of their impersonation about 2 weeks before over on <strong>TNH</strong> and grabbed the <strong>Jodi</strong> name over here on <strong>FDL.</strong></p>
<p>And if you don’t want to be challenged or your other posters can’t handle differing opinions, then as I said before a long time ago, just put at the top of the page.  <strong>“Only liberal progressives should post on this blog.”</strong><em></em></p>
<p>Then you can have a perfect litany and harmononious song like chant of agreement that will swell up like some great wave though it will finally be dashed back by the <em>stony cliffs of real America.</em></p>
<p>… and I will go quietly and politely, dusting off my hem, as I depart.</p>
<p><em>Jodi (the original, now called JodiDog)</em></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 03:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, how delicious to have Jodi prove she’s the real Jodi.  There’s only one true way of course to prove which troll is the real Jodi or just an impostor.  Tie her up, take her to sea and throw her overboard.  If she sinks, then she’s the real Jodi.  If she floats, she’s an impostor.  Reminds of that scene in V for Vendetta.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, how delicious to have Jodi prove she’s the real Jodi.  There’s only one true way of course to prove which troll is the real Jodi or just an impostor.  Tie her up, take her to sea and throw her overboard.  If she sinks, then she’s the real Jodi.  If she floats, she’s an impostor.  Reminds of that scene in V for Vendetta.</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 02:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Excellent letter Bob, mind if I borrow it to send to my Senators and Rep?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent letter Bob, mind if I borrow it to send to my Senators and Rep?</p>
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		<title>By: bobschacht</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/04/scottish-haggis-latest-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-34911</link>
		<dc:creator>bobschacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s the letter I wrote to my Senators:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There are several bills to amend FISA currently pending. To put it briefly, the Senate Intelligence Committee bill is the worst, Sen. Arlen Spector’s bill is almost as bad, and the Senate Judiciary Committee meeting is best. But there are likely to be all kinds of amendments proposed and adopted, so please use the following guidelines when considering each bill and amendment: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* No retrospective immunity! Retrospective immunity is a really bad idea.&lt;br /&gt;
* No prospective immunity either!&lt;br /&gt;
* No basket warrants that allow fishing expeditions and invasion of civil liberties.&lt;br /&gt;
* Please don’t allow “experts” from the Executive branch to substitute for the Courts in oversight. The role of the courts must not be diminished in any way!&lt;br /&gt;
* No “substitution” such as offered in  Spector’s bill. His bill includes poison pills that will have undesireable effects.&lt;br /&gt;
* In general, please follow the guidelines proposed by the Congressional Progressive Caucus on FISA.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;* Finally, no bill at all is better than a bad bill, because failure to pass a new bill or amendment merely allows the existing laws to remain in effect.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I will appreciate your close attention to these matters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s the letter I wrote to my Senators:</p>
<blockquote><p>There are several bills to amend FISA currently pending. To put it briefly, the Senate Intelligence Committee bill is the worst, Sen. Arlen Spector’s bill is almost as bad, and the Senate Judiciary Committee meeting is best. But there are likely to be all kinds of amendments proposed and adopted, so please use the following guidelines when considering each bill and amendment: </p>
<p>* No retrospective immunity! Retrospective immunity is a really bad idea.<br />
* No prospective immunity either!<br />
* No basket warrants that allow fishing expeditions and invasion of civil liberties.<br />
* Please don’t allow “experts” from the Executive branch to substitute for the Courts in oversight. The role of the courts must not be diminished in any way!<br />
* No “substitution” such as offered in  Spector’s bill. His bill includes poison pills that will have undesireable effects.<br />
* In general, please follow the guidelines proposed by the Congressional Progressive Caucus on FISA.</p>
<p>* Finally, no bill at all is better than a bad bill, because failure to pass a new bill or amendment merely allows the existing laws to remain in effect.</p>
<p>I will appreciate your close attention to these matters.</p>
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<p>Bob in HI</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don’t know–what do you all think?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s sounds like you’d like to keep at least one house troll.  I admire your tolerance, you and others, and your dedication to keeping this an open forum.  I do not admire the effect of Jodi troll, whose contributions rarely rise to the level that can be considered countervailing, not one bit.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe you’re right on the money - you usually are.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Monday Jodi likened me to a dog and herself to a tick. I had thought Jodi was just obtuse but not intentionally obtrusive. I changed my mind. I think her relationship to the blog is parasitic. She is not only aware of her affect but rather enjoys being disruptive and contraire.  Your observation about the effect of Jodi troll on newcomers, as opposed regulars who have developed informed restraint, is a good point too.  Wouldn’t it great if we could attract a conservative voice that adds value to the conversation rather than lowers the level?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t know–what do you all think?</p>
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<p>It’s sounds like you’d like to keep at least one house troll.  I admire your tolerance, you and others, and your dedication to keeping this an open forum.  I do not admire the effect of Jodi troll, whose contributions rarely rise to the level that can be considered countervailing, not one bit.  </p>
<p>Maybe you’re right on the money &#8211; you usually are.  </p>
<p>Monday Jodi likened me to a dog and herself to a tick. I had thought Jodi was just obtuse but not intentionally obtrusive. I changed my mind. I think her relationship to the blog is parasitic. She is not only aware of her affect but rather enjoys being disruptive and contraire.  Your observation about the effect of Jodi troll on newcomers, as opposed regulars who have developed informed restraint, is a good point too.  Wouldn’t it great if we could attract a conservative voice that adds value to the conversation rather than lowers the level?</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/12/04/scottish-haggis-latest-compromise/comment-page-1/#comment-34885</link>
		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Nope, I don’t think they suspended anything.  But, the date is supposed to make it look like it, don’t you think?  Somehow this “compromise” is supposed to make it look like some kind of “limited” immunity as they try to run this bit of fuckery through the spin cycle.  “See, we got dates!  This is limited in scope!  Feel better?  Now run along while we give the telcos everything they paid us to give them…  Oh, and wink wink, it just so happens to let a lot of our hardworking well intentioned government officials off the hook for doing their best to protect you.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a snow job that Reid needs to get him off the hook for rolling over, again.  I’m just trying to get a grip on just what exactly this sow’s ear is that they are about to pass off as a silk purse.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope, I don’t think they suspended anything.  But, the date is supposed to make it look like it, don’t you think?  Somehow this “compromise” is supposed to make it look like some kind of “limited” immunity as they try to run this bit of fuckery through the spin cycle.  “See, we got dates!  This is limited in scope!  Feel better?  Now run along while we give the telcos everything they paid us to give them…  Oh, and wink wink, it just so happens to let a lot of our hardworking well intentioned government officials off the hook for doing their best to protect you.”</p>
<p>This is a snow job that Reid needs to get him off the hook for rolling over, again.  I’m just trying to get a grip on just what exactly this sow’s ear is that they are about to pass off as a silk purse.</p>
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		<title>By: bmaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>bmaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 00:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ok then; I was starting to get worried….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok then; I was starting to get worried….</p>
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