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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/11/18/oil-bucks/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Iâ€™ve read that this deflation of the dollar will lead to great inflation later on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, what I want to know now is how the MSM are going to treat the inflation our next president (presumably a Dem) is going to face. Are they going to blame unforseen circumstances, Bush or the Dem prez?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Somehow Iâ€™m guessing the latter, because they are soooo responsible our media.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Re: Frum &amp; Bush conversation&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush actually spoke so someone could understand him and he said something intelligible? I doubt it ever occurred.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™ve read that this deflation of the dollar will lead to great inflation later on.</p>
<p>So, what I want to know now is how the MSM are going to treat the inflation our next president (presumably a Dem) is going to face. Are they going to blame unforseen circumstances, Bush or the Dem prez?</p>
<p>Somehow Iâ€™m guessing the latter, because they are soooo responsible our media.</p>
<p>Re: Frum &amp; Bush conversation</p>
<p>Bush actually spoke so someone could understand him and he said something intelligible? I doubt it ever occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/11/18/oil-bucks/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh my.  No sheets over the head at CNBC.  Breathless and panicky there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Paulson was sent out this morning to serve up Kool-Aid this morning to talk about inflation being under control.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yah, sureâ€¦the analysts on right now are working on assumption that oil is $100/bbl in 1Q2008.  They are yapping right now about Chavezâ€™ comment that oil will go to $200/bbl if US attacks Iran, and Ahmadinejadâ€™s comment that the US dollar is a worthless piece of paper.  I donâ€™t think they are ignoring Al-Faisal at all, nothing but red downtick arrows across the board this morning.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my.  No sheets over the head at CNBC.  Breathless and panicky there.</p>
<p>Paulson was sent out this morning to serve up Kool-Aid this morning to talk about inflation being under control.</p>
<p>Yah, sureâ€¦the analysts on right now are working on assumption that oil is $100/bbl in 1Q2008.  They are yapping right now about Chavezâ€™ comment that oil will go to $200/bbl if US attacks Iran, and Ahmadinejadâ€™s comment that the US dollar is a worthless piece of paper.  I donâ€™t think they are ignoring Al-Faisal at all, nothing but red downtick arrows across the board this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/11/18/oil-bucks/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EW â€” yeah, I noted that â€mistakeâ€â€¦and I think in a mag like Bloomberg, that means they put on their blinkers.  I donâ€™t think they are sweeping it under the rug as much as they are incapable of digesting this.  Were this WSJ, Barronâ€™s or Investorâ€™s News Daily, Iâ€™d be sure it was covering up.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just realized Iâ€™ve not checked CNBC to see if they are also pulling the sheets over their heads this morning.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EW â€” yeah, I noted that â€mistakeâ€â€¦and I think in a mag like Bloomberg, that means they put on their blinkers.  I donâ€™t think they are sweeping it under the rug as much as they are incapable of digesting this.  Were this WSJ, Barronâ€™s or Investorâ€™s News Daily, Iâ€™d be sure it was covering up.</p>
<p>Just realized Iâ€™ve not checked CNBC to see if they are also pulling the sheets over their heads this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: darclay</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/11/18/oil-bucks/#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>darclay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I started talking about this when I read the report in â€The Telegraphâ€ (UK) a short time ago. My clientâ€™s for the majority looked at me like I was a nut, only a couple of CEOâ€™s were interested.Is it me or is the public at large not able to grasp the import of this or just feel afraid and helpless? I donot like bad news, but you have to look at it and try and do what you can. &lt;br /&gt;Maybe Kim is right â€Maybe this was a way of â€™innoculatingâ€™ the market against worries re:dollar collapseâ€.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;â€Bushco may be able to keep the Iraq war going on long enough to hand it off to his putative Democratic successor in January 2009, but I donâ€™t think that they will be able to delayâ€¦ Ishmael sounds about right to me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I started talking about this when I read the report in â€The Telegraphâ€ (UK) a short time ago. My clientâ€™s for the majority looked at me like I was a nut, only a couple of CEOâ€™s were interested.Is it me or is the public at large not able to grasp the import of this or just feel afraid and helpless? I donot like bad news, but you have to look at it and try and do what you can. <br />Maybe Kim is right â€Maybe this was a way of â€™innoculatingâ€™ the market against worries re:dollar collapseâ€.</p>
<p>â€Bushco may be able to keep the Iraq war going on long enough to hand it off to his putative Democratic successor in January 2009, but I donâ€™t think that they will be able to delayâ€¦ Ishmael sounds about right to me.</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/11/18/oil-bucks/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rayne&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Though note that first article is a misinterpretation of what Faisal said. He didnâ€™t say he wouldnâ€™t consider itâ€“he only said he wouldnâ€™t do so publicly. Iâ€™m seeing this mistake in many places now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to Frum and Shrubâ€“that may be one of the fwe times Iâ€™ve heard Bush address energy like that. Interesting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rayne</p>
<p>Though note that first article is a misinterpretation of what Faisal said. He didnâ€™t say he wouldnâ€™t consider itâ€“he only said he wouldnâ€™t do so publicly. Iâ€™m seeing this mistake in many places now.</p>
<p>As to Frum and Shrubâ€“that may be one of the fwe times Iâ€™ve heard Bush address energy like that. Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/11/18/oil-bucks/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&amp;sid=a1OHCAtBZAeQ&amp;refer=news&quot;&gt;Oil moves above US$94/bbl in early overseas tradingâ€¦&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; Nov. 19 (Bloomberg) â€” Crude oil rose above $94 a barrel in New York on speculation the weakening U.S. dollar will spur demand for the commodity from buyers holding other currencies.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The dollarâ€™s 10 percent decline this year has prompted investors to switch funds into gold, silver and oil. Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal rejected calls by Iran and Venezuela at an OPEC summit in Riyadh to abandon the U.S. currency for oil sales, saying the kingdom doesnâ€™t want the dollar to â€œcollapse.â€™â€™&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The falling dollar â€œmakes oil relatively cheaper in other currencies, so it helps demand stay relatively robust,â€™â€™ said Rowan Menzies, head of research for Commodity Warrants Australia in Sydney.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Crude oil for January delivery rose as much as 97 cents, or 1 percent, to $94.81 a barrel in after-hours electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It was at $94.74 at 12:31 p.m. in Singapore. &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;[sigh]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I once made the mistake of suggesting to Bush that he use the phrase cheap energy to describe the aims of his energy policy. He gave me a sharp, squinting look, as if he were trying to decide whether I was the very stupidest person he had heard from all day or only one of the top five. Cheap energy, he answered, was how we had got into this mess. Every year from the early 1970s until the mid-1990s, American cars burned less and less oil per mile traveled. Then in about 1995 that progress stopped. Why? He answered his own question: Because of the gas-guzzling SUV. And what had made the SUV craze possible? This time I answer. â€Um, cheap energy?â€ He nodded at me. Dismissed. [source: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030303/corn/3&quot;&gt;David Frum, The Right Man&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;I guess he fixed that cheap energy problem, huh?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&amp;sid=a1OHCAtBZAeQ&amp;refer=news">Oil moves above US$94/bbl in early overseas tradingâ€¦</a></p>
<blockquote><p> Nov. 19 (Bloomberg) â€” Crude oil rose above $94 a barrel in New York on speculation the weakening U.S. dollar will spur demand for the commodity from buyers holding other currencies.
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<p>The dollarâ€™s 10 percent decline this year has prompted investors to switch funds into gold, silver and oil. Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Prince Saud Al-Faisal rejected calls by Iran and Venezuela at an OPEC summit in Riyadh to abandon the U.S. currency for oil sales, saying the kingdom doesnâ€™t want the dollar to â€œcollapse.â€™â€™</p>
<p>The falling dollar â€œmakes oil relatively cheaper in other currencies, so it helps demand stay relatively robust,â€™â€™ said Rowan Menzies, head of research for Commodity Warrants Australia in Sydney.</p>
<p>Crude oil for January delivery rose as much as 97 cents, or 1 percent, to $94.81 a barrel in after-hours electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It was at $94.74 at 12:31 p.m. in Singapore. </p>
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<p>[sigh]</p>
<blockquote><p>I once made the mistake of suggesting to Bush that he use the phrase cheap energy to describe the aims of his energy policy. He gave me a sharp, squinting look, as if he were trying to decide whether I was the very stupidest person he had heard from all day or only one of the top five. Cheap energy, he answered, was how we had got into this mess. Every year from the early 1970s until the mid-1990s, American cars burned less and less oil per mile traveled. Then in about 1995 that progress stopped. Why? He answered his own question: Because of the gas-guzzling SUV. And what had made the SUV craze possible? This time I answer. â€Um, cheap energy?â€ He nodded at me. Dismissed. [source: <a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20030303/corn/3">David Frum, The Right Man</a>]</p>
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<p>I guess he fixed that cheap energy problem, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedagon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/11/18/oil-bucks/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedagon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Pas de quoi, ew. My int fin prof was from Argentina and UofC, a strange combination when you think about it. He used to remark to us how the vast mathematical armamentarium of the field really represented a Big Bertha aimed at a tiny little flea, and that the thing never to lose sight of was the â€realâ€ economy, i.e. what gets made where and by whom, and who gets the income. As an economic matter right he was, Iâ€™ve decided.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, I donâ€™t think itâ€™s at all misplaced &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;politically&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; to notice some of the machinations around these currency meetings and the like, especially considering the not-necessarily-forward-thinking of the current occupants here. What with falafel-eating as the mark of terrorists, who knows? Sabre-rattling over a currency board would be downright sensible by comparison.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;â€”-&lt;br /&gt;Iâ€™d sure love to hear some of the banter between Brady and Cassell.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Come to think of it, itâ€™s probably just banter &lt;i&gt;from&lt;/i&gt; Brady &lt;i&gt;to&lt;/i&gt; Cassell, or within Cassellâ€™s earshot, or something â€¦ kind of like Jordan, ice bags on his knees, glowering from the bench â€All right now, donâ€™t make me have to come back in â€¦â€&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pas de quoi, ew. My int fin prof was from Argentina and UofC, a strange combination when you think about it. He used to remark to us how the vast mathematical armamentarium of the field really represented a Big Bertha aimed at a tiny little flea, and that the thing never to lose sight of was the â€realâ€ economy, i.e. what gets made where and by whom, and who gets the income. As an economic matter right he was, Iâ€™ve decided.</p>
<p>However, I donâ€™t think itâ€™s at all misplaced <i><b>politically</b></i> to notice some of the machinations around these currency meetings and the like, especially considering the not-necessarily-forward-thinking of the current occupants here. What with falafel-eating as the mark of terrorists, who knows? Sabre-rattling over a currency board would be downright sensible by comparison.</p>
<p>â€”-<br />Iâ€™d sure love to hear some of the banter between Brady and Cassell.</p>
<p>Come to think of it, itâ€™s probably just banter <i>from</i> Brady <i>to</i> Cassell, or within Cassellâ€™s earshot, or something â€¦ kind of like Jordan, ice bags on his knees, glowering from the bench â€All right now, donâ€™t make me have to come back in â€¦â€</p>
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		<title>By: emptywheel</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/11/18/oil-bucks/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>emptywheel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;pd&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nope. No puntsâ€“not till Cassell came in, anyway. And thanks for the linkâ€“that makes a lot more sense and is not so simplistic as I was making it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pd</p>
<p>Nope. No puntsâ€“not till Cassell came in, anyway. And thanks for the linkâ€“that makes a lot more sense and is not so simplistic as I was making it.</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedagon</title>
		<link>http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2007/11/18/oil-bucks/#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>prostratedagon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 03:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://rs.rgemonitor.com/blog/setser/227486&quot;&gt;Brad Setser&lt;/a&gt;, who tracks foreign exchange movements and policies, thinks thereâ€™s some disagreements among the Gulf countries about just when and how far to move. He remarks in passing on one reason itâ€™s always so hard to read meetings like this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I understand the need for the Gulf countries to try reach consensus so they can move together, but I am not sure that &lt;b&gt;countries with open capital markets&lt;/b&gt; can announce that they are considering a revaluation on a fixed data without effectively being forced to revalue. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My bold. The point being that the minute traders get the idea that they know what a new policy will be, they tend to get ahead of it. In this case, Setser says they might bid up the Gulf currencies to the point that the countries canâ€™t defend the dollar peg at the old rate, so that a revaluation that might have been future or hypothetical, becomes a reality. Of course, the leak would tend to work in just the direction of forcing the GCC hand.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;NB: Setser does not seem to think that any of the countries wants to &lt;i&gt;dump&lt;/i&gt; the dollar; that wouldnâ€™t get them anywhere, even financially, as theyâ€™d only get less in exchange than they would just by being patient enough to effect an orderly unwind, which could take weeks or months. However, some might want to move sooner than do the Saudis toward some kind of market basket policy, i.e. holding reserves and pricing their own currencies against an average of several, rather than just the dollar. That would constitute an abandonment of the peg, or the fixing of their exchange rates to the dollar, but would not be implemented by a dump.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Setser suggests that the source of a difference of opinion might be in the countriesâ€™ domestic economic positions, as much or more than in their policies toward the U.S. (Just possibly, itâ€™s not always about us, though where the Gulf is concerned, skepticism on that point is justified.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tinyurl.com/35w2ut&quot;&gt;Hereâ€™s an article&lt;/a&gt; that Setser links to, with some more reporting from the GCC meeting and more recent history of countries that have moved away from the dollar. I personally am not yet convinced that this issue is more serious than our domestic credit market problems and the tremendous reputational hit as a source of expert  and reasonably honest financial management weâ€™re taking because of it, not to mention a host of real economy and public sector vultures coming home to roost, but weâ€™ll see.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Patâ€™s offense is a horrifying thing this year. NE 42 BUF 7 early 3rd. The NE starting offense might not have to punt in this game.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://rs.rgemonitor.com/blog/setser/227486">Brad Setser</a>, who tracks foreign exchange movements and policies, thinks thereâ€™s some disagreements among the Gulf countries about just when and how far to move. He remarks in passing on one reason itâ€™s always so hard to read meetings like this:</p>
<blockquote><p><i><br />I understand the need for the Gulf countries to try reach consensus so they can move together, but I am not sure that <b>countries with open capital markets</b> can announce that they are considering a revaluation on a fixed data without effectively being forced to revalue. <br /></i></p>
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<p>My bold. The point being that the minute traders get the idea that they know what a new policy will be, they tend to get ahead of it. In this case, Setser says they might bid up the Gulf currencies to the point that the countries canâ€™t defend the dollar peg at the old rate, so that a revaluation that might have been future or hypothetical, becomes a reality. Of course, the leak would tend to work in just the direction of forcing the GCC hand.</p>
<p>NB: Setser does not seem to think that any of the countries wants to <i>dump</i> the dollar; that wouldnâ€™t get them anywhere, even financially, as theyâ€™d only get less in exchange than they would just by being patient enough to effect an orderly unwind, which could take weeks or months. However, some might want to move sooner than do the Saudis toward some kind of market basket policy, i.e. holding reserves and pricing their own currencies against an average of several, rather than just the dollar. That would constitute an abandonment of the peg, or the fixing of their exchange rates to the dollar, but would not be implemented by a dump.</p>
<p>Setser suggests that the source of a difference of opinion might be in the countriesâ€™ domestic economic positions, as much or more than in their policies toward the U.S. (Just possibly, itâ€™s not always about us, though where the Gulf is concerned, skepticism on that point is justified.)</p>
<p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/35w2ut">Hereâ€™s an article</a> that Setser links to, with some more reporting from the GCC meeting and more recent history of countries that have moved away from the dollar. I personally am not yet convinced that this issue is more serious than our domestic credit market problems and the tremendous reputational hit as a source of expert  and reasonably honest financial management weâ€™re taking because of it, not to mention a host of real economy and public sector vultures coming home to roost, but weâ€™ll see.</p>
<p>The Patâ€™s offense is a horrifying thing this year. NE 42 BUF 7 early 3rd. The NE starting offense might not have to punt in this game.</p>
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		<title>By: kim</title>
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		<dc:creator>kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 01:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe this was a way of â€™innoculatingâ€™ the market against worries re:dollar collapse. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
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