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		<title>By: pdaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I donâ€™t know if this is the same John Kershner but the timeframe fits:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the Pres. Reagan archives&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/audiovisual/whtv1984.html&quot;&gt;http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/a…..v1984.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Date5/30/1984&lt;br /&gt;Control Number06270-4T-W297-G59c&lt;br /&gt;Tape NumberG59&lt;br /&gt;TitleTrip to Colorado. President Reagan Presents CINC Trophy to Cadets First Class Marty Louthan, Michael Kirby, JOHN KERSHNER [my emphasis]. Falcon Stadium USAF Academy&lt;br /&gt;Time Counter Reading23:38-26:09&lt;br /&gt;Sound TypeSD&lt;br /&gt;Personal ReferencePresident Reagan, Marty Louthan, Michael Kirby, JOHN KERSHNER [my emphasis]&lt;br /&gt;Geographic ReferenceColorado Springs, Colorado&lt;br /&gt;Access RestrictionsNone&lt;br /&gt;Date5/30/1984&lt;br /&gt;Control Number06270-4T-W297-G59d&lt;br /&gt;Tape NumberG59&lt;br /&gt;TitleTrip to Colorado. President Reagan is given Jersey. Falcon Stadium USAF Academy&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I donâ€™t know if this is the same John Kershner but the timeframe fits:</p>
<p>From the Pres. Reagan archives<br /><a href="http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/audiovisual/whtv1984.html">http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/a…..v1984.html</a></p>
<p>Date5/30/1984<br />Control Number06270-4T-W297-G59c<br />Tape NumberG59<br />TitleTrip to Colorado. President Reagan Presents CINC Trophy to Cadets First Class Marty Louthan, Michael Kirby, JOHN KERSHNER [my emphasis]. Falcon Stadium USAF Academy<br />Time Counter Reading23:38-26:09<br />Sound TypeSD<br />Personal ReferencePresident Reagan, Marty Louthan, Michael Kirby, JOHN KERSHNER [my emphasis]<br />Geographic ReferenceColorado Springs, Colorado<br />Access RestrictionsNone<br />Date5/30/1984<br />Control Number06270-4T-W297-G59d<br />Tape NumberG59<br />TitleTrip to Colorado. President Reagan is given Jersey. Falcon Stadium USAF Academy</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 04:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi pdaly â€” thanks for the follow up.  Sure is odd, Iâ€™ll be sure to keep an eye out for more references to River Oaks Bank as the Simpson/Siegelman tale unfoldsâ€¦&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi pdaly â€” thanks for the follow up.  Sure is odd, Iâ€™ll be sure to keep an eye out for more references to River Oaks Bank as the Simpson/Siegelman tale unfoldsâ€¦</p>
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		<title>By: pdaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi Phred, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I donâ€™t know the answer to your question. In that article I linked to, they said the back up tapes were not yet completed when they had to evacuate the building. One person John Q. Kershner, senior vice president of River Oaks Bank was allowed into the bank after the fire to complete the back up data of the previous dayâ€™s transctions â€™by hand.â€™ The new computer system required some sort of instructions to be entered by a human in order to finalize transactions. He is described as a somewhat brave hero, having to undergo a physical exam before donning an anti-asbestos suit and entering the building. &lt;br /&gt;â€Kershner was selected. At 6 p.m. he entered the building and by 10:30 p.m. had completed the task.â€&lt;br /&gt;The article does not say whether information was lost in the fire nor did it speculate whether by having one person in the room, information could or could not be altered. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The committeeâ€™s major and minority counsel both seemed quick redirect every time Simpson grabbed the mike and began to run with the blurb about Bush Srâ€™s bank. Grab that mike! Stop her!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Phred, </p>
<p>I donâ€™t know the answer to your question. In that article I linked to, they said the back up tapes were not yet completed when they had to evacuate the building. One person John Q. Kershner, senior vice president of River Oaks Bank was allowed into the bank after the fire to complete the back up data of the previous dayâ€™s transctions â€™by hand.â€™ The new computer system required some sort of instructions to be entered by a human in order to finalize transactions. He is described as a somewhat brave hero, having to undergo a physical exam before donning an anti-asbestos suit and entering the building. <br />â€Kershner was selected. At 6 p.m. he entered the building and by 10:30 p.m. had completed the task.â€<br />The article does not say whether information was lost in the fire nor did it speculate whether by having one person in the room, information could or could not be altered. </p>
<p>The committeeâ€™s major and minority counsel both seemed quick redirect every time Simpson grabbed the mike and began to run with the blurb about Bush Srâ€™s bank. Grab that mike! Stop her!</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;pdaly â€” Do the 1991 news reports indicate whether any records were lost?  If Iâ€™m not mistaken banks tend to keep backup records offsite.  It is curious that Simpsonâ€™s questioner was prompted by the bank comment to go off record at that moment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pdaly â€” Do the 1991 news reports indicate whether any records were lost?  If Iâ€™m not mistaken banks tend to keep backup records offsite.  It is curious that Simpsonâ€™s questioner was prompted by the bank comment to go off record at that moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Shit Stain Remover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shit Stain Remover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The &lt;b&gt;Shit Stain Jodi&lt;/b&gt; Lessonâ€¦ or seven steps to willful ignorance&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;#1 I donâ€™t believe it.  #2 Itâ€™s too complicated. #3 I donâ€™t believe it. #4 Donâ€™t waste time reading closely and developing an undestanding of the essential part of the story that has not yet been explicitly explained. #5 Donâ€™t believe it. #6 Donâ€™t vet your analysis and pov or solicit feedback from commentors with subject matter experience, itâ€™s too complicated and I donâ€™t believe it. #7 Nothing is important except the things that are important to me. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <b>Shit Stain Jodi</b> Lessonâ€¦ or seven steps to willful ignorance</p>
<p>#1 I donâ€™t believe it.  #2 Itâ€™s too complicated. #3 I donâ€™t believe it. #4 Donâ€™t waste time reading closely and developing an undestanding of the essential part of the story that has not yet been explicitly explained. #5 Donâ€™t believe it. #6 Donâ€™t vet your analysis and pov or solicit feedback from commentors with subject matter experience, itâ€™s too complicated and I donâ€™t believe it. #7 Nothing is important except the things that are important to me. </p>
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		<title>By: Jodi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jodi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When things become as complicated and contorted as the comments above seem to make them, I have to believe that there is not much of substance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Certainly nothing to prosecute as long as people remember to say â€Well I am not really sure about thatâ€¦, but it might have or might not have happenedâ€¦â€ in sworn testimony.  The &lt;b&gt;Fitzgerald Lesson&lt;/b&gt; will be long remembered.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When things become as complicated and contorted as the comments above seem to make them, I have to believe that there is not much of substance.</p>
<p>Certainly nothing to prosecute as long as people remember to say â€Well I am not really sure about thatâ€¦, but it might have or might not have happenedâ€¦â€ in sworn testimony.  The <b>Fitzgerald Lesson</b> will be long remembered.</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
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		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rob is telling everyone Up Front that he doesnâ€™t want a â€30 Years in Prisonâ€ PIN for Conspiring to Obstruct/Subvert â€™federalâ€™ Justice.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rileysâ€“&gt;Canaryâ€“&gt;Roveâ€“&gt;Bushâ€“&gt;(Gonzo?)â€“&gt;PINâ€“&gt;Judge/Prosecutorsâ€“&gt;Siegelman&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob is telling everyone Up Front that he doesnâ€™t want a â€30 Years in Prisonâ€ PIN for Conspiring to Obstruct/Subvert â€™federalâ€™ Justice.  </p>
<p>Rileysâ€“&gt;Canaryâ€“&gt;Roveâ€“&gt;Bushâ€“&gt;(Gonzo?)â€“&gt;PINâ€“&gt;Judge/Prosecutorsâ€“&gt;Siegelman</p>
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		<title>By: pdaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FYI: River Oaks Bank had a fire in June 1991. The BCCI scandal occurred around this time, I believe. George H. W. Bush was already in the White House.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;from Disaster Recovery Journal&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drj.com/drworld/content/w1_124.htm&quot;&gt;http://www.drj.com/drworld/content/w1_124.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thursday, June 6, 1991, was a normal banking day at the River Oaks Bank in Houston, Texas, until 7:30 that evening when fire alarms sounded.&lt;br /&gt;The shrieking alarms forced employees from the building and company officials into a disaster recovery mode â€” even though the companyâ€™s disaster recovery and business continuity plan wasnâ€™t fully operational at the time and had never been tested.&lt;br /&gt;â€œWe had just converted to our current system (IBM AS-400) in November, 1990,â€ explained John Q. Kershner, senior vice president of River Oaks Bank. â€œWe were scheduled to do a test of our disaster recovery facility in July. Instead, we got to do our test early â€” in a live mode.â€ &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI: River Oaks Bank had a fire in June 1991. The BCCI scandal occurred around this time, I believe. George H. W. Bush was already in the White House.</p>
<p>from Disaster Recovery Journal<br /><a href="http://www.drj.com/drworld/content/w1_124.htm">http://www.drj.com/drworld/content/w1_124.htm</a></p>
<p>Thursday, June 6, 1991, was a normal banking day at the River Oaks Bank in Houston, Texas, until 7:30 that evening when fire alarms sounded.<br />The shrieking alarms forced employees from the building and company officials into a disaster recovery mode â€” even though the companyâ€™s disaster recovery and business continuity plan wasnâ€™t fully operational at the time and had never been tested.<br />â€œWe had just converted to our current system (IBM AS-400) in November, 1990,â€ explained John Q. Kershner, senior vice president of River Oaks Bank. â€œWe were scheduled to do a test of our disaster recovery facility in July. Instead, we got to do our test early â€” in a live mode.â€ </p>
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		<title>By: pdaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>pdaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 05:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I finally read the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Interview of Jill Simpson on September 14, 2007 in Washington, DC.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Scandal porn, indeed. It looks damning for the prosecution and for BushCo if the Rove ties are proved. Politicization of the DoJ and the â€˜criminalization of politics,â€™ as the Republicans like to call it, are all rolled into one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Off topic: I was side tracked by something in Simpsonâ€™s testimony.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does George H. W. Bush own a bank? (River Oaks Bank &amp; Trust in Houston). Is this common knowledge?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Simpson mentions it twice in her interview. Each time Bushâ€™s bank comes up, the committee cuts her off. The timing could be just a coincidence. Simpson is quite a ramblerâ€“for a lawyer, it seems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nonetheless, here are the two occurrences in the transcript. Curious to hear what you think:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From PAGES 7 and 8&lt;br /&gt;A= witness (Dana) Jill Simpson&lt;br /&gt;Q= Mr. Broderick-Sokol, Majority Counsel&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A Okay. I guess I would start around 1979 or â€™80. My&lt;br /&gt;sister worked at George Bush Seniorâ€™s bank in Houston at the&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(page break) &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;River Oaks Bank &amp; Trust and so she recruited me to help. I&lt;br /&gt;mean â€” and I donâ€™t know how much help, I mean, but I handed out stuff, put up signs and â€“&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Q And I was raising my hand. Thatâ€™s why the witness&lt;br /&gt;stopped.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just to jump in, just to really run through the&lt;br /&gt;campaigns. That would probably do it I think.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then again:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Page 92-93&lt;br /&gt;A Oh, I want to tell you it has been very stressful,&lt;br /&gt;and itâ€™s been difficult for my family. People have&lt;br /&gt;challenged that weâ€™re Republicans. My mother was on some&lt;br /&gt;kind of business council at some point where the President&lt;br /&gt;would invite people, you know, to come up for dinners and&lt;br /&gt;stuff like that, and she never came, but she got â€” you&lt;br /&gt;know, she always got the invitations and all that, and&lt;br /&gt;people have said, you know, â€Jo,â€ they say, â€youâ€™re not a&lt;br /&gt;good Republican.â€ I mean she had all kinds of awards in her&lt;br /&gt;office, when she was an accountant, from Tom DeLay, and I&lt;br /&gt;mean â€” and when I say â€awards,â€ you know, plaques and stuff because Mr. DeLay sent out a lot of that kind of stuff, and so she â€” itâ€™s caused her a lot of embarrassment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My sister, she â€” she loves the Bushes, I mean, and&lt;br /&gt;always has. I mean she worked for Mr. Bush before he â€“&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ms. Lynch (Minority Counsel, Crime Subcommittee): I think weâ€™ve reached the point where the question is answered here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Witness: â€” at River Oaks Bank and Trust, so â€“&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Broderick-Sokol: Okay. I think I just â€“&lt;br /&gt;The Witness. â€” and thatâ€™s been hard on her, too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(page break)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Broderick-Sokol. Okay.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Witness. So, yes, itâ€™s been hard on my whole&lt;br /&gt;family.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mr. Broderick-Sokol. Okay. With that, Iâ€™m done.&lt;br /&gt;Why donâ€™t we go off the record.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally read the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee Interview of Jill Simpson on September 14, 2007 in Washington, DC.</p>
<p>Scandal porn, indeed. It looks damning for the prosecution and for BushCo if the Rove ties are proved. Politicization of the DoJ and the â€˜criminalization of politics,â€™ as the Republicans like to call it, are all rolled into one.</p>
<p>Off topic: I was side tracked by something in Simpsonâ€™s testimony.</p>
<p>Does George H. W. Bush own a bank? (River Oaks Bank &amp; Trust in Houston). Is this common knowledge?</p>
<p>Simpson mentions it twice in her interview. Each time Bushâ€™s bank comes up, the committee cuts her off. The timing could be just a coincidence. Simpson is quite a ramblerâ€“for a lawyer, it seems.</p>
<p>Nonetheless, here are the two occurrences in the transcript. Curious to hear what you think:</p>
<p>From PAGES 7 and 8<br />A= witness (Dana) Jill Simpson<br />Q= Mr. Broderick-Sokol, Majority Counsel</p>
<p>A Okay. I guess I would start around 1979 or â€™80. My<br />sister worked at George Bush Seniorâ€™s bank in Houston at the</p>
<p>(page break) </p>
<p>River Oaks Bank &amp; Trust and so she recruited me to help. I<br />mean â€” and I donâ€™t know how much help, I mean, but I handed out stuff, put up signs and â€“</p>
<p>Q And I was raising my hand. Thatâ€™s why the witness<br />stopped.</p>
<p>Just to jump in, just to really run through the<br />campaigns. That would probably do it I think.</p>
<p>Then again:</p>
<p>Page 92-93<br />A Oh, I want to tell you it has been very stressful,<br />and itâ€™s been difficult for my family. People have<br />challenged that weâ€™re Republicans. My mother was on some<br />kind of business council at some point where the President<br />would invite people, you know, to come up for dinners and<br />stuff like that, and she never came, but she got â€” you<br />know, she always got the invitations and all that, and<br />people have said, you know, â€Jo,â€ they say, â€youâ€™re not a<br />good Republican.â€ I mean she had all kinds of awards in her<br />office, when she was an accountant, from Tom DeLay, and I<br />mean â€” and when I say â€awards,â€ you know, plaques and stuff because Mr. DeLay sent out a lot of that kind of stuff, and so she â€” itâ€™s caused her a lot of embarrassment.</p>
<p>My sister, she â€” she loves the Bushes, I mean, and<br />always has. I mean she worked for Mr. Bush before he â€“</p>
<p>Ms. Lynch (Minority Counsel, Crime Subcommittee): I think weâ€™ve reached the point where the question is answered here.</p>
<p>The Witness: â€” at River Oaks Bank and Trust, so â€“</p>
<p>Mr. Broderick-Sokol: Okay. I think I just â€“<br />The Witness. â€” and thatâ€™s been hard on her, too.</p>
<p>(page break)</p>
<p>Mr. Broderick-Sokol. Okay.</p>
<p>The Witness. So, yes, itâ€™s been hard on my whole<br />family.</p>
<p>Mr. Broderick-Sokol. Okay. With that, Iâ€™m done.<br />Why donâ€™t we go off the record.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 04:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ishmael, agree with your 14:22 completely.  Iâ€™d simply add, &lt;i&gt;â€â€¦all campaign, election, and prosecutorial shenanigans paid for in part with largess from Abramoffâ€™s shake-downs of the Indian Gaming Casinos, which funded Roveâ€™s political clients and Permanent Republican Majority plans.â€   &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This stench must be connected to Abramoff by more than one pathway.   (IIRC, Scott Horton wrote about connections between Siegelmanâ€™s prosecution and Abramoffâ€™s â€™fundraisingâ€™ a day or so ago, but it was only a preliminary sketch.)   Iâ€™d love to see a diagram showing the multiple connections between Abramoff/gambling $$, and RNC contributors, the Siegelman investigation, and the USAG firings. Bet it has a fairly dense pattern of interconnectedness.  &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ishmael, agree with your 14:22 completely.  Iâ€™d simply add, <i>â€â€¦all campaign, election, and prosecutorial shenanigans paid for in part with largess from Abramoffâ€™s shake-downs of the Indian Gaming Casinos, which funded Roveâ€™s political clients and Permanent Republican Majority plans.â€   </i></p>
<p>This stench must be connected to Abramoff by more than one pathway.   (IIRC, Scott Horton wrote about connections between Siegelmanâ€™s prosecution and Abramoffâ€™s â€™fundraisingâ€™ a day or so ago, but it was only a preliminary sketch.)   Iâ€™d love to see a diagram showing the multiple connections between Abramoff/gambling $$, and RNC contributors, the Siegelman investigation, and the USAG firings. Bet it has a fairly dense pattern of interconnectedness.  </p>
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